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good evening how is everybody doing what

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an amazing week right well it's about to

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get a whole lot better tonight rizz

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Burke is here and doesn't get any better

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than rizz and you know with David

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Wilcock and Nic right for Nick Redfern

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last night Slender Man that was really

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really good

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but rizz Burke is somebody that you need

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to pay attention to he's about as smart

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as they come and he's one of the leaders

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of not only the internet but blockchain

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futurism and ever you need to stop and

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listen to his work he's just a very very

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bright guy and very cool and he's a fade

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or not so it doesn't get any better

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right so get ready here we are we're

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live I've got I've got eight seconds

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I've got five seconds here we go

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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced on applying this has been

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found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside his way

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and K GRA

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I need your help to get to the year

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you listening today too

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with jimmy touch on the game changing

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good evening fade to black the spoke

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radio for the masses man do I love my

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job today is Wednesday May 16 2018 135

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days into the new year

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just 230 days left we are live from a

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bunker somewhere in beautiful downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world and all across the United

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States hither and tiddler to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network and kg are a the

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planets

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I'm your Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing right before the

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show tonight I hope he's listening right

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before the show I get I get a text I get

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a text from race Hobbs and look where

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race is he's at in-and-out burger in

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Salt Lake City though they had been

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announced all Exedy but but is his reply

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was off the bleeping chain awesome good

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pretty who raised if you've never had

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in-n-out burger before the first time

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you've had it and and I've witnessed it

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so many times and as some guest comes in

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from out of town pick him up at LAX and

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you're pulling out there's in-and-out

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burger right there man he's just pull

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right in and watch their face there's

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nothing like it because you've never

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experienced it it is truly and I'm just

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so thankful we have them here in

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Southern California it is truly the best

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hamburger in in the United States

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there's and there's good stuff out there

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everybody's proud of their burgers and I

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get that but there is nothing like an

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in-and-out burger fries and and they're

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fine it's so weird once they drop in

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temperature they go cold they're

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inedible but but when they're hot and

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they always are but when they're hot you

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got to eat them then and that in and out

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chocolate shake that's it man that's

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where it's at I just wanted to share

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that with you guys it really made my day

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tonight's very special guests back with

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this R is Burke is here we're gonna talk

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about killer AI because he's written an

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amazing article over at hacker noon

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dot-com I posted it over at on stellar

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today the link to it and it's called the

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road to killer a

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ml + blockchain + io t + drones equals

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Skynet it's a frightening article it's a

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great article and we're gonna discuss

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all of that tonight with rizz tomorrow's

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another failure tonight with Jon

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Rappoport and there's no more fake

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newsroom live followed by open lines all

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night long and now I'm gonna see it's

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possible if we can take some phone calls

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tonight

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Riz is on the east coast so it'll be

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getting late for him but nonetheless I

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will see if we can squeeze in some phone

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calls tonight for rizz Burke follow us

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on Twitter at J Radio Facebook is still

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alive for the time being and YouTube you

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night we don't bite Salt Lake City got

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apparently that is the case unless race

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is somewhere here in Southern California

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they opened up after the founders have

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in and out after the dad passed away the

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kids you know lost control with

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in-and-out burger and one of them

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started to sell franchises so they

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leaked into Vegas Arizona I think they

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may have even gotten into New Mexico

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parts of Texas Oregon and they spread

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out and then a judge intervened and shut

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down that one sibling I do believe and

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yeah I don't know what happened to those

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franchises though I don't know if they

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shut them down but there was reasons for

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that because all of the in-n-out burgers

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here in Southern California they locally

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source everything fresh from local

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farmers so that was in Ranchers and that

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was the secret to their success and they

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is other issues involved - you know

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sibling rivalry but but there you go I

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guess someone opened up there in Salt

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Lake so okay maybe they're franchising

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again haven't heard of anything about

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that any questions or comments during

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the show tonight you can use hashtag F

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to be cute now see I'm reading the post

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in Twitter as they are coming in and as

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soon and that's what I just did so if

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you want to come and check out all of

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that hashtag F to B and then hashtag F

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to be Q for questions

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so good evening everybody and and any

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questions comments just just post

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it happened today let me get to some

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breaking news happened today the Senate

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voted to pass a measure that would

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repeal changes to net neutrality rules

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that were recently adopted by the

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republican-controlled Federal

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Communications Commission now the

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measure which was backed by all 49

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Democrats and Republican senators Susan

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Lisa Murkowski John Kennedy of Louisiana

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it will now be sent to the house and I

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don't know where it's gonna go from

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there okay I don't know

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let's hope ok this was I didn't think it

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was gonna pass the Senate I thought it

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was gonna be a very bleak day today but

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it made it through I don't know what

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Trump's gonna do with it president Trump

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believes in in business and I would

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think that I would think that he would

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go ahead and and do what the Senate and

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the house want to do with this but the

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people that that put him in office they

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they do not want to lose control of

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their internet and and I'm being serious

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about that all right all those everybody

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all those constituents have been in the

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White House they're not gonna want their

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Netflix throttled back by NBC so just oh

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man ok so anyway I was relieved I don't

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know what the house is gonna do though I

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really don't and even if the House

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passes it you know Trump can still veto

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it so we need to speak up need to let

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Trump know man he's got to do the right

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thing the Internet is ours ok all right

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I'm stellar it is absolutely beautiful

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I really really don't care and the the

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mining all of these things make on

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there you go

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I've got some other things that I need

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to get out of the way because I have got

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some news today that I need to discuss

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with you that is absolutely gonna flip

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you out so I'm gonna save that I'll get

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to that just a second we've got R is

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Burke at the bottom of the hour our next

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event is coming up in just two short

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weeks Oh a blink of an eye and contact

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in the desert is here June 1st through

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the 4th 2018 Indian Wells Palm Springs

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Southern California you're gonna come

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and hang out with all of us at the

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Renaissance Resort and Spa programming

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note Friday night will be broadcasting

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fade to black live in front of a studio

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audience like we do every year at

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contact in the desert Saturday night is

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the awards ceremony and if you haven't

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got your tickets for that's probably

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already sold out but I'll be doing that

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Saturday night with George Noory I'm

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on Saturday night Sunday night I will be

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hosting the closing ceremonies and the

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and who we have on that panel and what

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few surprise guests that are going to be

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there for that panel and the closing

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going to be a huge event but that is is

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getting planned right now and I was on

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working with the good people over a

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contact in the desert you know crystal

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and Victoria with Rita

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getting all of this set up it's going to

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be amazing so come on out you want to

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hang out in Southern California don't

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you you want to go to Palm Springs don't

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you want to hang out the fader now

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selling to you right you want to go into

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that you've heard about the fader knots

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and Rita and myself at contacting the

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desert all of it's true it's all truth

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the rumors are true we have a good time

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say this but I mean this memories are

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made friendships are made that are gonna

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last a lifetime and we're gonna be out

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there at the Field of Dreams skywatching

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we're gonna be looking for Bigfoot and

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and all the other magic that happens up

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at ISA D it's gonna be absolutely

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amazing and a great event so please go

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and get your tickets now or were only

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selling 300 also also the the week after

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that I will be out in Colorado for Cory

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busy what a busy summer Rita and I said

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you know 2018 you know the last few

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years we've been doing you know 8 10 12

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events a year and you do that an event

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every month a couple events a month and

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it really wears you down it's a lot of

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fun getting out there but we have to get

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back into town and and do another string

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of shows and another week and and it's

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it's it's crazy what it does to the year

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the year just blows by and we decided to

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slow down this year well apparently

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that's not happening love getting out

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there and hanging out with all of you so

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there you go we'll see everybody in two

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weeks of contact in the desert and then

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right after that Seoul tech gathering

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Goods event which is the week after that

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fade or not Terry just tweeted I just

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saw this hold up the new shirts for the

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bunker cam and I might be able to pull

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that off in the next break and so yeah

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there's a reason why I can actually do

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that tonight Terry but if you renew your

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black t-shirts okay ight now let us know

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- when you renew if you don't want the

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new shirt and you want the old one let

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us know but all right let's see

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oh hell Jimmy how in the world can I get

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you over to my megalithic sunroom in

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Colorado it's 25 minutes away from

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Stacy Stacy you're too warm and kind

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alrights where am I at

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I've got to get to this now I don't

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forget all of our sponsors here life

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optics let's get this show crackin happy

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birthday to today oh I didn't I didn't

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do that's right I skipped over I was so

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busy today because on this day in

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history o TD 2010 Ronnie James Dio left

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this earth to sing for another audience

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Oh somebody just posted there you go

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and I I'll say this when when I started

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going through my thoughts with that

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today and and I wrote up a little

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article that I posted over at on stellar

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you can go and

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and read that and every year you know on

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this day every year and I just I kind of

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get bummed out and and I don't want to

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be bummed out because of Ronnie he left

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way too early and at the prime of

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everything for him but you know you go

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through and and you you try to remember

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some things and you want to share it

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with everybody of course you know in

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Ronnie's memory and then you listen to

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you know some music which I did today

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and cranked it up and and you know it

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just bums me out

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bums me out so I asked everybody today

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just go listen to some Ronnie go listen

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to some Bo and and he can appreciate you

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know his gift because he was truly one

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of the greatest if not the greatest rock

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singer in the history of everything

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Ronnie James Dio on this day in history

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2010 passed away from cancer fader fact

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the first accountant in history okay now

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now I'm gonna say this again the first

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accountant in history

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his name was Khushi

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that's right he was from Mesopotamia and

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he lived around 3200 BC and that is a

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fader fact that's a cool that's a cool

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fact right there tonight's very special

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guest star is burn and got a lump in my

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throat see that's why I don't want to

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talk about Ronnie right I got a lump it

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hurts hurts I need James Dio tonight

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very special guest R is Burke is here

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we're going to talk about his article on

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killer AI and it's an incredible article

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and I put up the links over at on

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stellar you can go and check it out

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there we'll get it up here in in Twitter

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in just a second

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and tomorrow night of course is Jon

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Rappoport

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fate or night and there's no more fake

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newsroom live followed by open lines all

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night long

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okay here we go and I have a lump in my

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River moon coffee its doc got a lump in

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my throat here we go in a I got a lump

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in my throat people all right hi I hope

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you understand in a published report

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from earlier this week we got this

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octopus's came to Earth from space as

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frozen eggs that's right the headline

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read just that octopuses are aliens

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which evolved on another planet before

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arriving on earth hundreds of millions

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of years ago as crypto served eggs via

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process known as panspermia the report

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is entitled wait for it cause of

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Cambrian explosion terrestrial or cosmic

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which was co-authored by a group of 33

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scientists and published in the progress

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in biophysics and molecular biology

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journal of some things you just can't

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make up now listen to me the paper says

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that the explanation for the sudden

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flourishing of life during the Cambrian

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era often referred to as the Cambrian

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explosion lies in the Stars as a result

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of the earth being bombarded by clouds

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of organic molecules but the scientists

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go on to make it even more extraordinary

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claim concerning octopuses which seem to

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have evolved on earth quite rapidly

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something like 270 million years ago 250

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million years after the Cambrian

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explosion the paper states and

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I'm quoting the genome of the octopus

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shows a staggering level of complexity

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with 33,000 protein coding genes more

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than is present in us Homo sapiens now I

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am going to quote from the paper here

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and listen to every word quote it's

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large brain and sophisticated nervous

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system camera like eyes flexible bodies

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instantaneous camouflage via the ability

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to switch color and shape are just a few

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of the striking features that appear

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suddenly on the evolutionary chain the

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transformative genes leading to the

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consensus consensus ancestral Nautilus

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to the common cuttlefish to squid - to

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the common are not yet easily to be

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found in any pre-existing life form it

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is plausible it is plausible than to

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suggest they seem to be borrowed from a

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far distant future in terms of

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terrestrial

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evolution or more realistically from the

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cosmos at large one plausible

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explanation in our view is that the new

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genes are likely new extraterrestrial

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imports to earth more plausibly as an

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already coherent group of functioning

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genes within say crypto krile served and

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matrix protected fertilized octopus eggs

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thus the possibility that crypto served

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squid and/or octopus eggs arrived in icy

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bolide several hundred million years ago

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and should not be discounted as that

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would be a cosmic explanation for the

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octopus sudden emergence on earth circa

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makes sense really since octopuses are

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regarded as the most intelligence of all

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non vertebrates with the highest

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brain-to-body ratio and then you have to

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think about this because I did think

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about that film that came out 2016

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arrival and I remember when when the ETS

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came out from the fog

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they were giant octopuses weren't they

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this is one of the most incredible

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published scientific papers reports and

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research studies I have ever read and it

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is indeed incredible so when somebody

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says to you you know when will et get

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here you can bring up the octopus think

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about it

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it's a crazy thought right now have you

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ever have you ever seen an octopus open

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up a jar you've seen those videos right

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octopus and a tank they drop a jar in

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maybe put some food right that octopus

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unscrews the jar just pops the top off

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it's like nothing truly truly

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magnificent so there you go the

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octopuses appeared complete done unlike

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anything else in the evolutionary chain

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allegedly evolutionary I might add and

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when we think about us here and how we

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just appeared here a hundred and fifty

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thousand years ago that we just appeared

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with the correct forehead no hair on our

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bodies right the ability to speak think

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laugh emotions everything think about

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that

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the the report is unbelievable and I

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will give it to you here one more time

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it's published in the progress in

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biophysics and molecular biology journal

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it's unbelievable unbelievable

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unbelievable to read 33 scientists all

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right tonight

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rizz Burke is here we're gonna talk

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about killer AI tomorrow night is Fator

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night my favorite night of the week Jon

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Rappoport is good to be here

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no more fake newsroom live followed by

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy Church

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what up in that combat and we're

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[Music]

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all right welcome back pay the black

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coming up see me Church yeah I'm in a

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great mood great mood got that lump out

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of my throat show must go on as Ronnie

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would Zig tonight rizz Burke is with us

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tomorrow night is Fator night open lines

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all night long

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Jon Rappoport is gonna be here with his

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no more fake newsroom live after Riz

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posted his article man I think it was

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two weeks ago now I immediately called

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rizz and said what is going on with this

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and because you're calling me to get on

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the show right I said yes so first

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things we we made this special

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arrangement tonight to have R is here he

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is a successful entrepreneur angel

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investor best-selling author video game

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industry pioneer independent film

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producer he currently runs Bayview labs

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and play labs at MIT startup accelerator

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held on campus at the Massachusetts

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00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:39,829
Institute of Technology rizz received a

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BS in computer science and engineering

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from MIT and MS and management from

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Stanford's

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GSB Riza's many startups have created

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products used by thousands of enterprise

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customers and his games have been

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downloaded millions of times including

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tap fish bingo run penny dreadful

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dimande and grim the cards of fate rizz

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has invested in many startups including

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Tapjoy telltale games discord fun zo

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pocket gems moon express and many others

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he has also produced many independent

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films including turquoise Rose thrive an

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amazing film what on earth will it take

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serious and the cult classic Knights of

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Badassdom starring the one and only

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Peter Dinklage tonight we're gonna

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discuss his latest article the road to

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killer AI ml plus blockchain plus io t

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plus drones equals Skynet his website is

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Xen entrepreneur.com the links are over

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Jimmy Church radio calm I do

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come back the one and only rizz Burke

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rizz good evening how are you good

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evening Jimmy it's great to be back you

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know rizz look MIT Stanford investor

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Silicon Valley web internet genius I'm

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totally intimidated by you

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but you're such a cool guy should I be

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intimidated because I don't have all of

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those credentials you know I don't have

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a CV like that well Jimmy you're a

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pretty cool guy yourself so I wouldn't

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be too intimidated especially tonight

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we're gonna be talking you know a little

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bit of science and a lot of

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science-fiction meld it together so I

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think fun discussion so what you're

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saying is you bring down the discussion

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to my level

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all right you know the I remember R is

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maybe it was probably two years ago and

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I went down got up in the morning went

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down to my coffee machine and I was

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staring out the kitchen window as I was

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grinding some beans and that morning we

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had a traffic accident

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up the street and it knocked out a

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transformer and now I've got solar power

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right at the house so I went to grind

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the beans and the grinder wasn't running

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at full speed it was running at half

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speed right because my house is now

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running on solar power instead of normal

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power and and while I was trying to

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figure that out and then I realized that

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the power was out then it then it came

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back on

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but as I was staring out the window I

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had this vision what if and I woke up in

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the morning and there was nothing

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nothing right nothing and we're we lost

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the internet and we lost electricity we

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lost everything you know now my

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refrigerator is is not on my smart

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refrigerator right my smartphone is not

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working

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the because the internet is down

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satellites are down

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whether you know just some crazy event

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where that happened the news I wouldn't

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be able to get to find out what happened

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right because the news can't get the

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news to report out now what do you do

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you can't go to your neighbor he doesn't

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know and the this would be the beginning

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of a very bad day right I mean a bad day

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and quite possibly if it continues a

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very bad week and and I laid out this

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nightmare scenario for everybody because

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it's something that we really need to

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think about because the IOT the Internet

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of Things is everywhere now and it is a

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huge industry putting the internet into

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your toothbrush right putting it

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everywhere and if we continue our

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dependency on the Internet if anything

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goes wrong it's going to go wrong in a

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bad bad way and I got a lot of feedback

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about that and I turn around and I read

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your article and I'm like this is what

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I'm on about people you know I'm not the

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only one that thinks about the

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complexities of the possibilities of

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things taking over and if they go bad if

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they choose to go bad we're in a bad

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situation aren't we well we certainly

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could be and I think you know that's

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part of what prompted me to write the

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article I mean we've gotten more and

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more dependent on I mean not just

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electronic so I mean we've had

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electrical devices for quite some time

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right but we over time everything

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started to use electricity and slowly

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everything is getting connected to the

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Internet and to each other and so you

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know that raises this possibility of

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cascading failures now on the one hand

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you know you've got all these devices

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connected if we were to lose all

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electricity it may not be the end of the

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world in fact it might you know save us

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if we were ever in a disaster situation

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where you had an AI that was trying to

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take over if we had no electricity then

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the AI couldn't run you know one of the

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gates I'm going to talk about later in

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00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:11,780
so is this idea of an AI that doesn't

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have an off switch and that's really you

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00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:17,060
know what we have to wonder about well

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00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:19,130
you know it was during our last show we

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were talking about blockchain some of

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your listeners might have been listening

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00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:24,619
that night and towards the air and we

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started talking about this idea of

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blockchain and where's the intersection

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00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,420
with AI and that really got me thinking

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00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:31,760
you know about these buzzwords that are

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out there today which are no longer

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buzzwords like you said fridges are

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smart fridges now right there are

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thousands and thousands of those out

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00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:40,940
there that can actually run code so now

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00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:42,650
you can run code in many places that you

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couldn't before and that's good because

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00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:47,300
it gives us lots of convenience but it's

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00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:50,180
bad because we're suddenly reliant you

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know on this this interconnected machine

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world of you oh well I'm gonna get to

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the terms here in just a second

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but when I hear you say that this is I

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mean who really needs a smart

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refrigerator the answer is nobody right

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00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:08,930
I mean there is absolutely no need for a

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00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:11,720
smart refrigerator the reason why people

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00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:15,680
have them is because you know you're

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competing with the Joneses do you

787
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:21,260
remember when no refrigerators had the

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the water dispenser and the ice in the

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front right but then those came out I

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remember right now everybody's got to

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have one and so I look at it that way

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everybody wants to have a 12 by 14 inch

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display in front of the refrigerator

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00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:41,330
they don't need it but that that's part

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of the problem nobody needs a you know a

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razor or a toothbrush or a bathroom

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mirror connected to the Internet you

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don't right and eventually that the

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manufacturers are only gonna be

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producing that dries versions I mean

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with like with TVs I mean you take an

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old CRT TV and you can't even connect

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00:44:08,590 --> 00:44:04,970
you know either a DVD player or a

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digital signal to the old TVs right so

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00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:10,160
pretty soon they won't even work anymore

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00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:12,020
and that's because the manufacturers are

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00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:14,119
constantly upgrading what's there so so

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I hear you and I agree with you that

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that's happening yeah and the only way

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to get people to buy new bathroom

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mirrors that they would never replace in

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00:44:27,739 --> 00:44:23,309
their house for 50 years

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00:44:30,709 --> 00:44:27,749
has put a chip in it now you know and so

814
00:44:33,859 --> 00:44:30,719
that all manufacturers are looking at

815
00:44:36,799 --> 00:44:33,869
just that right how do we get a chip

816
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:36,809
into our products no matter what the

817
00:44:45,699 --> 00:44:40,140
product is you know to typify it and get

818
00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:45,709
it on the IOT and and I understand

819
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,779
manufacturing and capitalism and and

820
00:44:53,689 --> 00:44:50,940
markets I totally get that and you've

821
00:44:56,059 --> 00:44:53,699
got to sell new product how do you do it

822
00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:56,069
well you create the next thing and

823
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:00,150
certainly the IOT has done just that

824
00:45:10,489 --> 00:45:04,079
let's go to these terms here let's go

825
00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:10,499
with first off Riza's formula is ml plus

826
00:45:15,949 --> 00:45:13,319
blockchain + io t + drones equals Skynet

827
00:45:20,269 --> 00:45:15,959
let's start at the front and let's go

828
00:45:23,479 --> 00:45:20,279
with ml what is ml okay so ml is

829
00:45:26,059 --> 00:45:23,489
shorthand for machine learning right and

830
00:45:28,279 --> 00:45:26,069
so that's why you know the AI within the

831
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:28,289
last few years has gotten more

832
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:30,420
sophisticated than the AI we used to

833
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:32,910
have you know back in the 80s and 90s I

834
00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:34,440
remember when you know when I was in

835
00:45:39,049 --> 00:45:36,539
high school in the 80s reading about how

836
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:39,059
the Japanese were going to have AI that

837
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,089
was as good as a human by the end of the

838
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:43,920
decade that decade that was the 80s

839
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,089
right and of course that didn't happen

840
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:47,940
right so there was a whole first wave of

841
00:45:52,819 --> 00:45:50,609
AI which was based on rules and

842
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:52,829
heuristics and code and they had to try

843
00:45:56,029 --> 00:45:54,089
to figure out what the rules were and

844
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:56,039
that proved to be pretty difficult and

845
00:46:00,949 --> 00:45:58,890
so you know machine learning refers to

846
00:46:04,699 --> 00:46:00,959
the idea that the software the computer

847
00:46:07,339 --> 00:46:04,709
program can learn based upon data that

848
00:46:09,049 --> 00:46:07,349
we give it and so you know this started

849
00:46:11,689 --> 00:46:09,059
with neural networks simple neural

850
00:46:13,249 --> 00:46:11,699
networks which we're trying to emulate

851
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:13,259
what happens inside the brain and you

852
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:15,180
would feed it a bunch of data like for

853
00:46:19,099 --> 00:46:16,859
handwriting you would feed it a bunch of

854
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:19,109
examples of people writing the letter T

855
00:46:26,989 --> 00:46:22,619
in cursive or you know in non cursive or

856
00:46:29,749 --> 00:46:26,999
or you know from a typed paper and then

857
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:29,759
the machine would learn based upon the

858
00:46:34,699 --> 00:46:31,859
input you said this is a T this is an a

859
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,709
this is a B and eventually you know

860
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,640
handwriting recognition got pretty good

861
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:38,079
still not perfect but it's way better

862
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,450
now than it was before so is this idea

863
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:43,839
that machines can learn based on data

864
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:45,460
that you provide it that's really what

865
00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:48,670
ml is all about yeah so when you and I

866
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:51,880
remember doing that with and I forget

867
00:46:55,529 --> 00:46:54,130
those little assistants

868
00:47:01,319 --> 00:46:55,539
what were they called those little

869
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:01,329
digital assistants like the what were

870
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:04,690
those called and there were Newton was

871
00:47:12,750 --> 00:47:10,480
one how quickly we forget

872
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:12,760
but anyway where you had to write you

873
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,720
know letters in and it would learn your

874
00:47:20,819 --> 00:47:18,960
handwriting so that's a machine learning

875
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,829
yeah so that was sort of the beginning

876
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:23,440
of machine learning palm power days Palm

877
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,230
Pilot Palm Pilots Palm Pilot that's it

878
00:47:30,059 --> 00:47:28,480
yeah there you go the Palm Pilots right

879
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:30,069
and it had different ways to write

880
00:47:34,019 --> 00:47:31,900
different letters so that it would be

881
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:34,029
easy for the machine to recognize it so

882
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:36,220
now a machine learning is being used for

883
00:47:41,819 --> 00:47:39,250
facial recognition it's being used for

884
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:41,829
you know self-driving cars we're gonna

885
00:47:46,349 --> 00:47:43,750
talk a lot about that because autonomous

886
00:47:48,299 --> 00:47:46,359
cars are really a precursor to lots of

887
00:47:50,009 --> 00:47:48,309
other autonomous things but they feed

888
00:47:53,009 --> 00:47:50,019
images of the real world

889
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:53,019
backed up by humans so you know when

890
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:54,400
you're on the internet and you get these

891
00:47:59,039 --> 00:47:56,410
the CAPTCHAs and they give you these

892
00:48:00,509 --> 00:47:59,049
pictures now that's a you know which of

893
00:48:02,249 --> 00:48:00,519
these has a car in it which of these

894
00:48:06,569 --> 00:48:02,259
pictures or which of these pictures has

895
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:06,579
a sign in it well some of those are data

896
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:08,410
that's already known to them and they

897
00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:09,970
just want to verify that you're a human

898
00:48:14,339 --> 00:48:12,670
not a robot and some of those are new

899
00:48:16,829 --> 00:48:14,349
pictures that they haven't yet

900
00:48:20,190 --> 00:48:16,839
classified and they want the humans to

901
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,200
say whether it's a sign or a car so they

902
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,240
can feed it to the AI and test if the AI

903
00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:23,920
is actually working or the machine

904
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:26,200
learning is working correctly and that

905
00:48:30,569 --> 00:48:29,170
scares the crap out of me yeah so every

906
00:48:32,849 --> 00:48:30,579
time you fill out one of the hosts like

907
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:32,859
two of those are like new images and the

908
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:34,450
other eight are old images and so

909
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:38,079
they're using you know human feedback as

910
00:48:44,249 --> 00:48:41,440
a way to then feed the AI you know and

911
00:48:47,269 --> 00:48:44,259
the machine learning you know in back at

912
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:47,279
the house in my garage I probably have

913
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:50,110
three Palm Pilots

914
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:54,800
just thinking about that man okay now of

915
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:58,270
course now we have the blockchain and

916
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:01,190
give us your short version of what the

917
00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:03,290
blockchain is we discussed it a lot here

918
00:49:08,590 --> 00:49:05,830
on the show but you would probably

919
00:49:10,060 --> 00:49:08,600
simplify it for everybody so they can

920
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:10,070
understand what the blockchain is what

921
00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:12,890
is blockchain yeah so for the purposes

922
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:14,870
of our discussion tonight and we're

923
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:17,090
really concerned about one aspect one or

924
00:49:21,130 --> 00:49:18,740
two aspects of the blockchain which is

925
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:21,140
that a blockchain is a series of

926
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:24,710
computers around the world that are all

927
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:28,010
agreeing on something all right so with

928
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,230
Bitcoin they're agreeing on who

929
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:32,240
transferred the Bitcoin where so the

930
00:49:36,670 --> 00:49:34,490
blockchain is a long list of everybody's

931
00:49:39,070 --> 00:49:36,680
transactions right but it's the

932
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:39,080
peer-to-peer component that's really

933
00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:40,400
important for our discussion tonight

934
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,550
because there's no one central machine

935
00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:45,440
saying like for example with Bank of

936
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:47,540
America you have to go to their server

937
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:50,090
their mainframe keeps track in their

938
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:53,180
database of the of the official amount

939
00:49:57,610 --> 00:49:55,970
in anybody's give an account assuming

940
00:50:00,400 --> 00:49:57,620
there's no funny business going on like

941
00:50:02,650 --> 00:50:00,410
there was with Wells Fargo but in the

942
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:02,660
blockchain no one machine has that

943
00:50:07,660 --> 00:50:05,150
central database so all the machines are

944
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:07,670
kind of processing at the same time now

945
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:09,350
the second thing that they do and this

946
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:10,880
is kind of important for tonight is they

947
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:14,960
they also run code so for example many

948
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:16,490
of your listeners may have heard of not

949
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:19,100
just Bitcoin but aetherium which is the

950
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:20,810
second biggest cryptocurrency and

951
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,810
blockchain out there and the reason if

952
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:25,520
there m1 was invented that it's inventor

953
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:28,070
of italic you know he wanted to write

954
00:50:31,060 --> 00:50:29,930
more code in the Bitcoin blockchain and

955
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:31,070
he really couldn't so he said let's

956
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:32,330
create this new blockchain called a

957
00:50:36,220 --> 00:50:34,070
cerium and I ought to write a bunch of

958
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:36,230
code in there called smart contracts and

959
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:38,090
so that's what's relevant for our

960
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,380
discussion tonight is the blockchain

961
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:42,800
provides a way for lots of computers

962
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:44,750
around the world to be running the exact

963
00:50:48,990 --> 00:50:47,030
same code and that's where you can't

964
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:49,000
just shut it off with any one computer

965
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,710
very interesting so it's alive yep it's

966
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:56,480
alive in a way right yeah as long as

967
00:51:01,329 --> 00:50:57,890
there are servers out there that have

968
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:01,339
the software and it also helps for

969
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,529
or nearly prevents fraud right because

970
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,960
the idea is that since you have so many

971
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:11,839
different machines agreeing you know you

972
00:51:17,799 --> 00:51:13,609
could hack one of those machines but

973
00:51:19,269 --> 00:51:17,809
that won't you know they won't impact

974
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:19,279
the overall process so you'd have to

975
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:21,890
hack 51% of the machines you would have

976
00:51:28,359 --> 00:51:25,670
to have 51% and the other before you if

977
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:28,369
you got through and hacked one the

978
00:51:33,549 --> 00:51:31,089
others would override that quickly

979
00:51:36,579 --> 00:51:33,559
exactly they're conscious I checked the

980
00:51:37,959 --> 00:51:36,589
longest chain right even if you hack 51%

981
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:37,969
you might be able to say okay I'm

982
00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:39,609
creating a new block in the blockchain

983
00:51:44,109 --> 00:51:42,440
here but you're blocking me if you went

984
00:51:45,759 --> 00:51:44,119
back and tried to take somebody else's

985
00:51:47,529 --> 00:51:45,769
Bitcoin yep long ago you'd have to catch

986
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:47,539
up because the chain has already been

987
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:49,249
processed by all these computers along

988
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:50,630
the way so it is possible to hack it

989
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:52,670
it's very difficult it is it is and

990
00:51:57,339 --> 00:51:54,650
they're constantly updating constantly

991
00:51:58,959 --> 00:51:57,349
and everything is time-stamped too as

992
00:52:02,680 --> 00:51:58,969
well so they go back to see when the

993
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:02,690
error occurred exactly yep and that's

994
00:52:05,739 --> 00:52:04,460
happened in the history of Bitcoin where

995
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:05,749
the foundation had to kind of agree

996
00:52:09,969 --> 00:52:08,329
before the change forks every now and

997
00:52:11,049 --> 00:52:09,979
then you'll hear about Forks on the

998
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:11,059
chain we won't get into that too much

999
00:52:16,690 --> 00:52:12,410
tonight since we're concerned more about

1000
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:16,700
this peer-to-peer aspect one and two the

1001
00:52:21,099 --> 00:52:19,249
ability to run code across the peers

1002
00:52:25,630 --> 00:52:21,109
that's why it's included in the equation

1003
00:52:28,539 --> 00:52:25,640
now now we have the IOT which is quickly

1004
00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:28,549
becoming one of the most popular terms

1005
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:30,200
on planet Earth

1006
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:33,529
what is IOT so IOT stands for the

1007
00:52:37,269 --> 00:52:36,049
Internet of Things right and that is

1008
00:52:39,370 --> 00:52:37,279
pretty much what you were talking about

1009
00:52:41,259 --> 00:52:39,380
with the smart refrigerators but it's

1010
00:52:43,749 --> 00:52:41,269
not limited or refrigerators the idea is

1011
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:43,759
that any physical device you know can

1012
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:45,890
have a connection to the Internet which

1013
00:52:51,249 --> 00:52:48,890
means it can send data back to the

1014
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:51,259
manufacturers database you can keep

1015
00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:54,140
track of what's going on you know you

1016
00:52:58,539 --> 00:52:56,150
have the cars connected to the Internet

1017
00:52:59,620 --> 00:52:58,549
you have all kinds of objects and

1018
00:53:01,749 --> 00:52:59,630
devices like you said eventually

1019
00:53:03,489 --> 00:53:01,759
toothbrushes connected to the Internet

1020
00:53:06,489 --> 00:53:03,499
all that data is being sent over the

1021
00:53:09,370 --> 00:53:06,499
internet somewhere but it provides a way

1022
00:53:12,670 --> 00:53:09,380
in to physical devices that wasn't there

1023
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,680
before right even things like you know

1024
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:15,040
to unlock a door right

1025
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:16,910
office you've probably seen this some

1026
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:18,830
office spaces now you bring up your app

1027
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:21,410
on your smartphone you say unlock the

1028
00:53:24,010 --> 00:53:21,890
door

1029
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:24,020
rather than using a physical key anymore

1030
00:53:27,850 --> 00:53:26,390
right so that's is sending a message

1031
00:53:29,620 --> 00:53:27,860
through the internet to some server

1032
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:29,630
which is sending the message to that

1033
00:53:34,540 --> 00:53:32,660
door which means that that door is also

1034
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:34,550
part of the Internet of Things because

1035
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:36,410
it's now connected and it has some code

1036
00:53:40,780 --> 00:53:38,900
that is running on it yeah a smart house

1037
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:40,790
is scary when you think about your

1038
00:53:48,610 --> 00:53:44,510
thermostat your refrigerator your your

1039
00:53:54,370 --> 00:53:48,620
garage door your lights your television

1040
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:54,380
and everything in your room become a

1041
00:54:00,100 --> 00:53:58,490
huge a huge much everything is becomes a

1042
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:00,110
part of the Internet of Things and smart

1043
00:54:03,850 --> 00:54:01,850
homes is one aspect of that now there's

1044
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:03,860
some convenience is there right when

1045
00:54:07,150 --> 00:54:05,210
you're traveling you can turn off your

1046
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:07,160
lights you can turn them on you can see

1047
00:54:11,260 --> 00:54:08,690
who's at your door so there are some

1048
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:11,270
positives there but it's this fact that

1049
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:13,010
code is running everywhere

1050
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:15,110
is why it's part of this equation enough

1051
00:54:20,050 --> 00:54:17,150
ml plus blockchain plus I of T plus

1052
00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:20,060
drones equals Skynet three years ago I

1053
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:23,270
did I did one of my rant and I said you

1054
00:54:30,670 --> 00:54:27,830
know what would it be like if your

1055
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:30,680
bathroom mirror you walk up and you turn

1056
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:33,110
on the TV it's inside of your mirror and

1057
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:35,210
you're watching you know the news the

1058
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:38,150
morning show and you're doing that and

1059
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:40,190
the mirror is talking to you telling you

1060
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:44,240
you need to shave today and and you get

1061
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:47,410
down and you pick up your electric razor

1062
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:51,050
and it needs to be charged and your

1063
00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:52,970
mirror is telling you to charge it right

1064
00:54:57,550 --> 00:54:54,620
and you're going through all it kind of

1065
00:54:59,530 --> 00:54:57,560
sounds cool at first but I said you

1066
00:55:02,260 --> 00:54:59,540
don't know who's now looking at you in

1067
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:02,270
the mirror number one and number two you

1068
00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:06,710
are now completely connected to somebody

1069
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,020
else's software that is now monitoring

1070
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,880
everything about your daily life so I

1071
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:13,760
did this whole thing and the next day my

1072
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:15,260
phone rings I pick it up it's a friend

1073
00:55:18,850 --> 00:55:16,670
of mine here in Southern California goes

1074
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:18,860
dude I heard your show last night I said

1075
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:21,290
really you listen to because I do and I

1076
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:22,730
was listening guess what I'm doing right

1077
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,400
now I said what because I'm writing code

1078
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:27,680
for a company here in Southern

1079
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:28,130
California

1080
00:55:35,230 --> 00:55:31,010
or Nia for bathroom mirrors and

1081
00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:35,240
toothbrushes because dude we are doing

1082
00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:36,680
it right now we're bringing it to market

1083
00:55:40,180 --> 00:55:38,630
and that was three years ago

1084
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:40,190
and I was just letting my imagination

1085
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:43,370
run I remember Rita after that

1086
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,430
Riz she literally came up to me because

1087
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,280
do you really think come on Jimmy you

1088
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:52,400
know you're scared I said no it's I'm

1089
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,130
what I'm afraid of is hackers yeah

1090
00:56:01,090 --> 00:55:57,200
that's what I'm afraid of if you go and

1091
00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:01,100
and if if a hacker really wanted because

1092
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:02,750
these are all running on Android right

1093
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:04,370
most of the Internet of Things is

1094
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:07,310
running on Android and if a hacker out

1095
00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:11,930
there is really wanted to get those $300

1096
00:56:19,780 --> 00:56:14,500
ransoms right you don't hack computers

1097
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:19,790
hack the United States food supply pack

1098
00:56:27,820 --> 00:56:23,090
their refrigerators you'll get 300 bucks

1099
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:27,830
a pop very quickly because that and just

1100
00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:30,290
think about that you know and that is

1101
00:56:34,510 --> 00:56:32,750
that is where we need to think about

1102
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:34,520
cutting off the world and not

1103
00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:36,890
necessarily plugging in everywhere but

1104
00:56:41,830 --> 00:56:38,840
that's the Internet of Things I think

1105
00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:41,840
it's a dangerous zone too to continue

1106
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:44,630
moving into I think quite recklessly

1107
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:46,130
we're not we're not looking at the

1108
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,950
implications I agree with you and I

1109
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:50,720
think you know we're it's still a little

1110
00:56:54,850 --> 00:56:52,580
ways before all these things talk to

1111
00:56:56,590 --> 00:56:54,860
each other but the fact that they have

1112
00:56:59,590 --> 00:56:56,600
you know an android-based operating

1113
00:57:01,150 --> 00:56:59,600
system for example means that you know

1114
00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:01,160
anybody who knows that operating system

1115
00:57:08,110 --> 00:57:05,750
can figure out a way to get a code you

1116
00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:08,120
know on to those devices and you know I

1117
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:11,150
I saw an app that somebody showed me

1118
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:13,900
once that you know where he connected to

1119
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:17,330
your local area network at somebody's

1120
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:19,850
house and he said oh there's some

1121
00:57:23,470 --> 00:57:22,190
viruses on this and that on your Smart

1122
00:57:26,830 --> 00:57:23,480
TV on that that you don't even know

1123
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:26,840
about so people are already you know

1124
00:57:31,330 --> 00:57:29,630
sending viruses to the internet of

1125
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:31,340
things and usually you don't know about

1126
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:33,770
it you don't know it's there unless you

1127
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:35,510
have you know something that can scan

1128
00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:36,980
most virus software we have today is

1129
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:39,590
built for scanning your computer not

1130
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:40,980
your fridge right

1131
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:44,490
right right and and it only takes you

1132
00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:46,260
know one bad actor out there it's all

1133
00:57:51,590 --> 00:57:48,060
easy to do they just have to have a

1134
00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:51,600
reason to do it or some spare time Rita

1135
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:53,070
just tweeted I don't know if you saw

1136
00:57:59,710 --> 00:57:55,170
this where she goes what would a smart

1137
00:58:02,690 --> 00:57:59,720
toothbrush do in case of an AI rebellion

1138
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:02,700
my reply back was I don't even need to

1139
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:07,140
think about that other things that could

1140
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:08,970
be problem at all I don't know if you

1141
00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:11,310
saw the and I think you did see the

1142
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:13,830
x-files episode yes wouldn't your show

1143
00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:17,310
last time we had the Roomba yeah the

1144
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:19,380
Roomba but they had the sushi chefs who

1145
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:21,240
were robots yes because they didn't

1146
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:23,730
leave a tip those robots were connecting

1147
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:25,410
the central server which was connecting

1148
00:58:30,260 --> 00:58:27,900
to their autonomous driver for their

1149
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:30,270
uber like cars back home right which was

1150
00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:31,950
they were then connecting to their doors

1151
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:33,660
and locking the door and having the

1152
00:58:37,849 --> 00:58:35,730
Roomba attack them and then the drones

1153
00:58:40,310 --> 00:58:37,859
that were delivering the Amazon packages

1154
00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:40,320
you know we're starting to gang up on

1155
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:42,030
them and you know we've got the

1156
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:43,530
technology for that we're not very far

1157
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:45,090
off from that I mean that could happen

1158
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:47,700
soon it the AI that would do it all is

1159
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:50,040
not quite there yet but the connections

1160
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:51,900
are there yeah it's a scary scary

1161
00:58:57,380 --> 00:58:55,260
thought and we are right I mean we are

1162
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:57,390
so close it's like lemmings to the sea

1163
00:59:02,900 --> 00:58:59,460
right we're all on the edge of the cliff

1164
00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:02,910
right now taking a peek we're taking a

1165
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:05,340
peek yeah it's good to have you know

1166
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:07,140
some backup the other day you know I was

1167
00:59:11,810 --> 00:59:10,260
in San Francisco and we were trying to

1168
00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:11,820
call an uber and meanwhile there were

1169
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:13,800
these cabs just driving right by us it's

1170
00:59:17,780 --> 00:59:15,090
like I had forgotten how to call a cab

1171
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:17,790
because I'm so used to going into my

1172
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:19,770
phone and getting a car to come to me

1173
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:20,970
it's like oh the old-fashioned way of

1174
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,380
holding out your hand actually still

1175
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:24,240
works so sometimes we need to have

1176
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:27,660
backup ways of doing things that you

1177
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:31,980
forgot how to go analog right that's

1178
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:34,650
funny all right and then of course we

1179
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:38,160
have the next piece of your equation is

1180
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:42,210
drones now we are I would love to hear

1181
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:45,000
your definition of drones you can go

1182
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:48,570
into any electronics store now any any

1183
00:59:53,660 --> 00:59:51,510
any store you walk in the front door and

1184
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:53,670
that's what they've got stacked up do

1185
00:59:59,509 --> 00:59:57,089
drones are everywhere go to Fry's they I

1186
01:00:02,900 --> 00:59:59,519
don't know how many drones fry sells in

1187
01:00:05,660 --> 01:00:02,910
a day but if their displays of drones

1188
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:05,670
are any indication it just it's got to

1189
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:09,569
be just tons its ballooning and it's a

1190
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:12,119
pretty big area right now and I know

1191
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:13,619
that a lot of venture capital investment

1192
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:15,960
has gone into that area because more and

1193
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:18,089
more people are using drones now most of

1194
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:19,710
the drones are like the quad copters

1195
01:00:23,539 --> 01:00:21,059
right where they've got the four little

1196
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:23,549
propellers right and you can do that you

1197
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:26,430
know for a small size or a big size and

1198
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,890
so drones by themselves aren't that

1199
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,480
dangerous but if you look at the drones

1200
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:33,000
we use in the military you know

1201
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,440
particularly as we're bombing in like

1202
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:36,240
Afghanistan or Pakistan which is

1203
01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:39,180
actually where I was born you've got

1204
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:40,680
these drones that look a little bit

1205
01:00:45,019 --> 01:00:42,660
different from the drones that Frye's is

1206
01:00:48,259 --> 01:00:45,029
selling those drones look more like

1207
01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:48,269
little airplanes where's the drones you

1208
01:00:50,839 --> 01:00:49,380
know we're getting are like these little

1209
01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:50,849
you know quad copters or little

1210
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,819
helicopters and so drones become

1211
01:01:00,019 --> 01:00:56,880
dangerous when they get combined with

1212
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:00,029
weapons right so weaponized drones it's

1213
01:01:03,859 --> 01:01:02,190
the real fear here and if you look at

1214
01:01:06,740 --> 01:01:03,869
some of the drones today and you know I

1215
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,750
used at the end of this formula I say

1216
01:01:10,999 --> 01:01:09,180
equal Skynet as you may know I'm a big

1217
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:11,009
fan of the Terminator movies mm-hmm and

1218
01:01:15,049 --> 01:01:12,210
you know they have these things called

1219
01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:15,059
HKS or hunter killers and you look at

1220
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:16,529
them and they're just like they start

1221
01:01:19,549 --> 01:01:18,359
off as little drones and then they

1222
01:01:22,339 --> 01:01:19,559
become more and more sophisticated

1223
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:22,349
drones that can go up and down and can

1224
01:01:26,359 --> 01:01:24,150
fly anywhere so once you combine drones

1225
01:01:28,460 --> 01:01:26,369
with weapons now we're in dangerous

1226
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:28,470
territory we're close to unlocking you

1227
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,670
know one of these gates that I talked

1228
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:31,920
about I gotta take a break right here so

1229
01:01:35,809 --> 01:01:33,750
let's get the break out and then we'll

1230
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,819
continue the discussion when we come

1231
01:01:40,579 --> 01:01:38,160
back our guest tonight Risberg

1232
01:01:43,609 --> 01:01:40,589
and we're discussing his latest article

1233
01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:43,619
the road to killer AI ml plus blockchain

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01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:47,480
plus io t plus drones equals Skynet

1235
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:51,359
Riz Burk unbelievable article you can

1236
01:01:56,299 --> 01:01:54,210
check it out over at hacker noon dot-com

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army o CB church this is fade to black

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stay with us

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this is fade to black

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that can mean increased mold growth and

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[Music]

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welcome back pain to black I'm your host

1307
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Jimmy church tonight rizz Burke is here

1308
01:06:01,489 --> 01:05:58,410
now this article that he wrote is called

1309
01:06:05,779 --> 01:06:01,499
the road to killer AI ml plus blockchain

1310
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:05,789
+ io t + drones equals a Skynet now it's

1311
01:06:11,890 --> 01:06:08,940
an important it's an important article

1312
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:11,900
because I think all of us can step back

1313
01:06:18,009 --> 01:06:14,729
absorb this I don't think it's there to

1314
01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:18,019
scare us but certainly make us aware of

1315
01:06:23,449 --> 01:06:20,609
how this technology has creeped into

1316
01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:23,459
every aspect of our lives and and I

1317
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:25,950
don't think we've quite noticed the

1318
01:06:33,949 --> 01:06:28,680
intrusion but back to this drone thing

1319
01:06:36,859 --> 01:06:33,959
Burke what R is for scultures Burke

1320
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:36,869
Riz is is this somebody that's you know

1321
01:06:46,459 --> 01:06:39,569
graduated from Stanford and MIT and I

1322
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:46,469
just call them Burke yo Burke you know I

1323
01:06:53,539 --> 01:06:49,799
have so much respect for you and you are

1324
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:53,549
free to call me Church is this I thought

1325
01:07:00,109 --> 01:06:55,799
to myself a couple of years ago and I

1326
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:00,119
know that it's an easy polluted thought

1327
01:07:06,259 --> 01:07:03,029
to have but I have I have a few drones

1328
01:07:09,140 --> 01:07:06,269
ok I do I I have radio control cars and

1329
01:07:10,729 --> 01:07:09,150
helicopters and drones and and I did

1330
01:07:12,979 --> 01:07:10,739
that stuff they're fun and plus I can

1331
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:12,989
terrorize my dogs with them which is is

1332
01:07:16,819 --> 01:07:15,599
that you know that's the bonus but I'm

1333
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:16,829
sitting here looking at them and I

1334
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:20,640
thought because one of my one of my

1335
01:07:29,019 --> 01:07:24,209
drones has a little cannon on it and the

1336
01:07:33,499 --> 01:07:29,029
cannon shoots these little tiny green

1337
01:07:34,999 --> 01:07:33,509
balls right little tiny green balls they

1338
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:35,009
don't hunt you know they just you know

1339
01:07:38,989 --> 01:07:37,410
they just they cast through the air they

1340
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:38,999
don't shoot in a straight line right

1341
01:07:45,549 --> 01:07:42,569
but anyway it's fun to use on your dog's

1342
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:45,559
by anyway and I was thinking to myself

1343
01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:48,690
what would stop somebody from like

1344
01:07:55,099 --> 01:07:52,920
putting a Glock on a drone and figuring

1345
01:07:57,049 --> 01:07:55,109
out it's not it's you know and and with

1346
01:07:58,260 --> 01:07:57,059
a good remote control you've got all

1347
01:08:00,690 --> 01:07:58,270
kinds of a

1348
01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:00,700
additional commands that you can do and

1349
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:04,900
you know her hook up a servo to it and

1350
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:06,190
just hit the button and boom and start

1351
01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:07,660
pulling a trigger right and you've

1352
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:09,640
already got the camera there in hi-def

1353
01:08:16,620 --> 01:08:13,450
and and right after that thought popped

1354
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:16,630
in my head I see a video on YouTube

1355
01:08:21,930 --> 01:08:19,089
dude's got a Glock on a drone and he's

1356
01:08:27,750 --> 01:08:21,940
out on a target range with it firing off

1357
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,760
this Glock now we talk about Isis okay I

1358
01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:30,400
get that but you can do it with whatever

1359
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:33,640
you buy at Fry's and and that's that's a

1360
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:35,980
scary scary thought and and to have it

1361
01:08:41,610 --> 01:08:38,830
taken over or maybe run by somebody else

1362
01:08:44,490 --> 01:08:41,620
you only need the germ of the idea to

1363
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:44,500
have it run away with the crazies out

1364
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:48,130
there well yeah that's true and you know

1365
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,370
once the weapons are on the drones which

1366
01:08:55,380 --> 01:08:53,440
they are to a certain extent already and

1367
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:55,390
and you said you saw that YouTube video

1368
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,560
there's another YouTube video that's

1369
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,040
pretty scary is by a berkeley professor

1370
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:01,359
named Stuart Russell who's an AI

1371
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:03,670
researcher and you know he created a

1372
01:09:08,340 --> 01:09:06,370
video called slaughter BOTS and he's

1373
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:08,350
showing these little drones very small

1374
01:09:11,849 --> 01:09:09,460
drones just like the ones you buy at

1375
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:11,859
Fry's but even smaller and he's

1376
01:09:15,780 --> 01:09:13,510
presenting it as if it's a company that

1377
01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:15,790
makes these right kind of like getting

1378
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:17,380
back to the Terminator Cyberdyne systems

1379
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:19,510
right if any of you have been to the

1380
01:09:25,769 --> 01:09:23,650
Universal Studios a terminator 2 exhibit

1381
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:25,779
at down in Florida and I think they have

1382
01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:27,670
one in California now as well you know

1383
01:09:30,599 --> 01:09:29,020
you walked through the simulated

1384
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:30,609
Cyberdyne systems and they show you all

1385
01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:32,290
their latest models of these killer

1386
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:34,900
robots well this video was kind of like

1387
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,089
that with these small drones and they

1388
01:09:40,289 --> 01:09:38,799
had some explosives on the drones and

1389
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:40,299
you could see while he was talking the

1390
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:42,730
camera from the drone had him as a

1391
01:09:45,630 --> 01:09:44,290
target and then later they showed a

1392
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:45,640
target of something else in the drone

1393
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:47,710
had an explosive device and it just went

1394
01:09:50,730 --> 01:09:49,210
and you know killed the dummy in this

1395
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:50,740
case it was just a dummy but it was a

1396
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:52,630
pretty scary video because we're not

1397
01:09:58,130 --> 01:09:56,410
that far from being able to do that and

1398
01:10:00,930 --> 01:09:58,140
if you're controlling it electronically

1399
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:00,940
well then it can be hacked either by

1400
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:04,510
hackers today or by an AI in the future

1401
01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:06,310
so anyone who's worried about you know

1402
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:08,350
killer AI it's it's an interesting video

1403
01:10:14,610 --> 01:10:11,710
to see online with respect to drones

1404
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:14,620
now let's go to let's start to break

1405
01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:16,570
this down now that we have the equation

1406
01:10:22,620 --> 01:10:19,960
oh oh of course Skynet now we're all

1407
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:22,630
well no you know what whenever I say

1408
01:10:26,610 --> 01:10:24,850
we're all familiar with Skynet I'll see

1409
01:10:30,180 --> 01:10:26,620
the tweet come in I'll get an email what

1410
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:30,190
is Skynet so let's let's just get keep

1411
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:32,110
everybody up on top of this what is

1412
01:10:40,650 --> 01:10:37,080
Skynet well so Skynet is the killer AI

1413
01:10:43,470 --> 01:10:40,660
from the Terminator series of movies and

1414
01:10:44,970 --> 01:10:43,480
the idea is that there's a in this

1415
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:44,980
fictional universe right

1416
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:47,050
there's a company Cyberdyne systems

1417
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:51,070
that's building AI and that AI becomes

1418
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:54,010
self-aware at a certain point but before

1419
01:11:00,090 --> 01:10:56,770
it becomes self-aware the military uses

1420
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:00,100
Skynet to replace pilots on planes and

1421
01:11:04,670 --> 01:11:02,890
all military missions and the efficiency

1422
01:11:06,959 --> 01:11:04,680
of the military missions goes way up

1423
01:11:10,350 --> 01:11:06,969
because theoretically the AI doesn't

1424
01:11:12,209 --> 01:11:10,360
make a mistake so that's all interesting

1425
01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:12,219
from the perspective of the military

1426
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:14,440
initially but then Skynet becomes

1427
01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:16,930
self-aware and decides that the only way

1428
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:19,630
for it to survive is to kill the humans

1429
01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:22,420
so it since it has connections into the

1430
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:24,670
military system at that point it fires

1431
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:27,450
our nuclear weapons against ourselves

1432
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:31,050
and then it also creates actual robots

1433
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:33,850
physical robots that it can use like the

1434
01:11:36,979 --> 01:11:35,410
Terminator which is the character that

1435
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:36,989
Arnold Schwarzenegger played which was a

1436
01:11:41,190 --> 01:11:39,760
cybernetic organism a machine that was

1437
01:11:42,570 --> 01:11:41,200
sent back in time now we're getting into

1438
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:42,580
you know different parts of the story

1439
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:44,170
but Skynet itself

1440
01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:47,170
it was the master AI that decided it

1441
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:49,390
didn't need humans anymore and maybe it

1442
01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:51,430
needed a few so it used his robots to

1443
01:11:59,060 --> 01:11:54,280
enslave them now when Terminator 2 came

1444
01:12:01,410 --> 01:11:59,070
out the Pentium chip wasn't out yet

1445
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:01,420
Windows 95

1446
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:04,270
wasn't out yet the internet although it

1447
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:08,320
was there was was there for a couple of

1448
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:09,850
hundred people around the United States

1449
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:12,610
that were you know sharing email with

1450
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:15,880
each other and it was starting to grow

1451
01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:19,810
but nobody knew what the internet or the

1452
01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:22,600
future or America Online wasn't out at

1453
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:24,390
you know when Terminator 2

1454
01:12:29,330 --> 01:12:26,610
was launched so the vision of the future

1455
01:12:33,170 --> 01:12:29,340
with Skynet and what Cameron did there

1456
01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:33,180
was which which was a pretty solid

1457
01:12:39,530 --> 01:12:36,630
futurist view of things to come but we

1458
01:12:40,670 --> 01:12:39,540
actually arrived yeah it really was and

1459
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:40,680
I don't know if you know the story of

1460
01:12:43,820 --> 01:12:42,360
how he came up with the idea but you

1461
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:43,830
know the first time I was on your show

1462
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:45,420
is talking about my book treasure hunt

1463
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:47,400
which is all about where do we get our

1464
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:49,170
intuitions that lead us down a certain

1465
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:51,690
path in life which I call clues to

1466
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:53,790
follow so James Cameron was a young

1467
01:12:57,980 --> 01:12:55,860
filmmaker working on these B movies I

1468
01:13:00,260 --> 01:12:57,990
think it was like John Carpenter movies

1469
01:13:01,670 --> 01:13:00,270
or something he was in Italy and one day

1470
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:01,680
he was really sick and he couldn't go to

1471
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:03,480
the set so it was kind of in a delirium

1472
01:13:08,180 --> 01:13:05,820
and he had this dream about robots

1473
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:08,190
emerging from the fire you know and he

1474
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:10,020
woke up and he didn't really know what

1475
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:11,760
to do with it so he drew a picture of

1476
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:14,130
these robots emerging from a fire and he

1477
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:15,840
presented it to his friend Gail who was

1478
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:17,850
also working on the movies and she said

1479
01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:19,890
well what's the story behind this you

1480
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:22,350
know can you expand on it so he then

1481
01:13:26,330 --> 01:13:24,300
ended up writing the script for the

1482
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:26,340
Terminator and Gale Anne Hurd became the

1483
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:28,110
producer and James Cameron we know is

1484
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:29,400
one of the most famous directors of all

1485
01:13:32,690 --> 01:13:31,260
time but you know he was following a

1486
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:32,700
clue that came to him in the middle of

1487
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:34,170
the night so I think there was a lot of

1488
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:35,910
precedents there we're only now

1489
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:37,500
beginning to see you know how something

1490
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:39,450
like this could actually happen I think

1491
01:13:42,860 --> 01:13:41,130
back then we didn't really know how we

1492
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:42,870
would go from where we were to to this

1493
01:13:47,180 --> 01:13:45,810
kind of you know general artificial

1494
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:47,190
intelligence that wants to take over

1495
01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:50,190
well now as we look at your formula here

1496
01:13:59,290 --> 01:13:54,030
the first step in this conversation has

1497
01:14:01,760 --> 01:13:59,300
to be can AI surpass humans and

1498
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:01,770
certainly that discussion is is out

1499
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:06,780
there daily and that is a date in our

1500
01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:09,690
future that is as much discussed is it

1501
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:12,980
possible well so you know back in the

1502
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:16,890
50s or 60s Alan Turing was one of the

1503
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:19,760
fathers of computer science and another

1504
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:21,930
colleague of his you know they had

1505
01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:24,450
talked about this idea of a point at

1506
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:27,030
which AI gets to be more intelligent

1507
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:30,300
than humans and I don't remember who

1508
01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:31,710
exactly it was one that came up with the

1509
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:34,470
term the singularity which was that

1510
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:37,110
point and then later you know you had

1511
01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:38,369
people like

1512
01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:41,159
fiction writer Vernor Vinge and Ray

1513
01:14:46,459 --> 01:14:43,169
Kurzweil and others start popularizing

1514
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:46,469
that term the singularity and you know

1515
01:14:51,409 --> 01:14:48,329
one of the people who's been really

1516
01:14:53,449 --> 01:14:51,419
concerned about this this topic is a

1517
01:14:55,819 --> 01:14:53,459
researcher at Oxford his name is Nick

1518
01:14:57,919 --> 01:14:55,829
Bostrom and he wrote a book called super

1519
01:15:00,259 --> 01:14:57,929
intelligence which is all about how AI

1520
01:15:02,089 --> 01:15:00,269
could be more intelligent than humans so

1521
01:15:04,429 --> 01:15:02,099
we're not at that point yet but I argue

1522
01:15:07,009 --> 01:15:04,439
in this article that we may not need to

1523
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:07,019
even be at that point like the AI

1524
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:09,209
doesn't actually have to be smarter than

1525
01:15:14,569 --> 01:15:11,489
humans in order for some type of

1526
01:15:17,859 --> 01:15:14,579
catastrophe to take place so we already

1527
01:15:20,419 --> 01:15:17,869
have killer AI in Texas the other day a

1528
01:15:22,639 --> 01:15:20,429
self-driving car ran over a pedestrian

1529
01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:22,649
and killed him right so you can have

1530
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,260
dumb AI that's killing people as well as

1531
01:15:31,609 --> 01:15:28,800
smart AI and you know I sometimes use

1532
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:31,619
the analogy that one of my spiritual

1533
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:33,689
teacher said to me if you wanna if

1534
01:15:38,060 --> 01:15:35,610
you're having a sparring match with the

1535
01:15:38,929 --> 01:15:38,070
first level black belt or like a fifth

1536
01:15:40,729 --> 01:15:38,939
level black belt

1537
01:15:42,290 --> 01:15:40,739
you'd rather be fighting the fifth level

1538
01:15:45,469 --> 01:15:42,300
black belt and I said well why is that

1539
01:15:47,089 --> 01:15:45,479
and he says well because he has he or

1540
01:15:48,799 --> 01:15:47,099
she has more control and they won't hurt

1541
01:15:50,419 --> 01:15:48,809
you whereas the guy who just became a

1542
01:15:51,889 --> 01:15:50,429
black belt may have a lot of power but

1543
01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:51,899
he may not have as much control and he

1544
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:54,030
may end up hurting you by mistake the

1545
01:15:58,369 --> 01:15:56,610
same could happen with AI it doesn't

1546
01:16:00,319 --> 01:15:58,379
have to be way more intelligent than us

1547
01:16:03,020 --> 01:16:00,329
in fact if it has a set of values that

1548
01:16:04,909 --> 01:16:03,030
tell it it needs to kill humans you know

1549
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:04,919
it the smarter AI might figure out

1550
01:16:08,779 --> 01:16:06,840
that's not the best thing to do but the

1551
01:16:10,969 --> 01:16:08,789
AI which is smart we're not talking

1552
01:16:12,679 --> 01:16:10,979
about dumb AI but maybe of equal

1553
01:16:14,869 --> 01:16:12,689
intelligence or even close to equal

1554
01:16:18,350 --> 01:16:14,879
intelligence you know they could still

1555
01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:18,360
win in a physical fight by taking over

1556
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:20,550
different weapons systems etc so we may

1557
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:22,260
never we may not even need to reach the

1558
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:25,530
singularity in in my opinion for this

1559
01:16:30,589 --> 01:16:28,409
scenario to happen it just depends on

1560
01:16:33,049 --> 01:16:30,599
you know how the AI is programmed and

1561
01:16:34,639 --> 01:16:33,059
what its goals and its values are and

1562
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:34,649
its goals may be different than ours so

1563
01:16:40,379 --> 01:16:37,920
you lay it out in the article

1564
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:40,389
you talk about the science fiction

1565
01:16:44,339 --> 01:16:42,489
aspect of it all science fiction is a

1566
01:16:46,649 --> 01:16:44,349
prediction of our future and a lot of it

1567
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:46,659
has come to pass we don't need to list

1568
01:16:50,669 --> 01:16:48,310
all of those things here now but we

1569
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:50,679
understand that certainly but you lay

1570
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,050
out the scenario really well just like

1571
01:17:03,510 --> 01:16:56,320
we've done here but then you get to the

1572
01:17:07,649 --> 01:17:03,520
four gates of killer AI and so I want to

1573
01:17:09,629 --> 01:17:07,659
break these down and let's start let's

1574
01:17:14,490 --> 01:17:09,639
just go right into it let's start with

1575
01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:14,500
gate one ai and mi which is general

1576
01:17:21,839 --> 01:17:19,420
purpose and not a specific right so yeah

1577
01:17:24,450 --> 01:17:21,849
so these gates are meant to be gates

1578
01:17:26,939 --> 01:17:24,460
that if we unlock them with our

1579
01:17:28,770 --> 01:17:26,949
technology that's when we should start

1580
01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:28,780
to be worried right so people might ask

1581
01:17:32,339 --> 01:17:30,070
okay when could this happen

1582
01:17:37,129 --> 01:17:32,349
it's not going to happen today but these

1583
01:17:40,050 --> 01:17:37,139
four gates I think are sort of necessary

1584
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:40,060
precursors to having this nightmare

1585
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,090
scenario now there are lots of other AI

1586
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:44,320
aspects that might be beneficial to us

1587
01:17:49,109 --> 01:17:45,760
but this is what we need to worry about

1588
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:49,119
so the first gate is that says that you

1589
01:17:54,629 --> 01:17:50,560
know we need to have AI that's a little

1590
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:54,639
more general whereas today the AI and

1591
01:17:59,550 --> 01:17:57,130
the ML is very specific so I talked

1592
01:18:03,540 --> 01:17:59,560
earlier about training or machine

1593
01:18:06,859 --> 01:18:03,550
learning and so you know we can train a

1594
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:06,869
computer system today to be good at

1595
01:18:12,959 --> 01:18:09,610
handwriting or to be good at recognizing

1596
01:18:15,899 --> 01:18:12,969
you know radiology from x-rays it could

1597
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:15,909
recognize faces in a crowd right so

1598
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:17,170
there are so many different things that

1599
01:18:22,859 --> 01:18:20,770
AI can do but it's still very specific

1600
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:22,869
to that task it has to be trained on

1601
01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:25,360
that task I mean going back to science

1602
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:27,940
fiction you know if you think of for

1603
01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:30,159
example in Star Trek The Next Generation

1604
01:18:34,979 --> 01:18:32,830
right they have the Android data he was

1605
01:18:38,129 --> 01:18:34,989
a general-purpose AI he could learn new

1606
01:18:40,109 --> 01:18:38,139
things on his own he wasn't just trained

1607
01:18:42,839 --> 01:18:40,119
on very specific tasks

1608
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:42,849
now we could approximate that today we

1609
01:18:47,459 --> 01:18:45,760
could go and say okay let's have one

1610
01:18:49,919 --> 01:18:47,469
machine learning thing that tells you

1611
01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:49,929
which task to do and then you go to the

1612
01:18:52,860 --> 01:18:51,460
more specific task but

1613
01:18:55,650 --> 01:18:52,870
even that's not enough this is where I

1614
01:18:57,180 --> 01:18:55,660
think we need a third wave of AI to get

1615
01:18:59,580 --> 01:18:57,190
to this this thing that's called a you

1616
01:19:00,930 --> 01:18:59,590
know a GI artificial or artificial

1617
01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:00,940
general intelligence or generalized

1618
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:03,460
artificial intelligence and we're not

1619
01:19:10,190 --> 01:19:07,110
there yet but we are at the point where

1620
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,200
machines can learn on their own

1621
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:11,920
unsupervised

1622
01:19:15,330 --> 01:19:13,690
so I've so far I've talked about

1623
01:19:18,750 --> 01:19:15,340
training it with datasets that humans

1624
01:19:21,630 --> 01:19:18,760
have already classified so it can tell

1625
01:19:24,090 --> 01:19:21,640
if it's right or wrong there's a great

1626
01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:24,100
example where AI is being used to play

1627
01:19:27,959 --> 01:19:26,230
games and we know that you know many

1628
01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:27,969
years ago was a deep-blue I think one of

1629
01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:31,420
the MIT sorry the IBM AI is beat the

1630
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:35,800
human champion in chess well later that

1631
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:37,690
they were wondering if it could play the

1632
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:39,489
game go now I'm not a player of go I

1633
01:19:42,209 --> 01:19:40,690
don't know if you are but it's more

1634
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,219
complex than chess and has a lot of

1635
01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:44,560
rules and what happened was they told

1636
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:47,830
the AI the rules of the game go and then

1637
01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:50,290
they just let it play against itself so

1638
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:53,200
it actually figured out what the best

1639
01:19:59,100 --> 01:19:56,110
strategies were based upon you know who

1640
01:20:01,410 --> 01:19:59,110
won a or B and a and B were the same AI

1641
01:20:03,390 --> 01:20:01,420
in this case and so it actually got good

1642
01:20:06,180 --> 01:20:03,400
enough to beat the best human players

1643
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:06,190
that go and so now we're seeing that

1644
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:08,130
machines can learn on their own

1645
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,810
unsupervised who are entering kind of a

1646
01:20:15,420 --> 01:20:13,600
new area but still that was for that

1647
01:20:18,330 --> 01:20:15,430
task of playing go you can see a

1648
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:18,340
generalize maybe to other games the

1649
01:20:22,350 --> 01:20:20,530
autonomous cars will talk about

1650
01:20:24,959 --> 01:20:22,360
autonomous drones in a minute but anima

1651
01:20:28,170 --> 01:20:24,969
scars you know know the rules of the

1652
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:28,180
road so that's the rule based and then

1653
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:30,760
we feed it a lot of data which are the

1654
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:33,010
signs and this is a person and this is

1655
01:20:36,300 --> 01:20:34,570
what you're supposed to do and you know

1656
01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:36,310
one of the problems that that Google had

1657
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:37,900
like with their autonomous cars you know

1658
01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:39,730
I live in Mountain View right right down

1659
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:41,620
the road from Google so we used to see

1660
01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:43,840
their autonomous cars years ago like

1661
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:45,790
back in like 2007 when I first moved

1662
01:20:50,190 --> 01:20:48,010
there it was that it would stop at the

1663
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,200
stoplight and it would wait for humans

1664
01:20:53,850 --> 01:20:52,480
to stop but the humans never stopped

1665
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:53,860
they just kind of came to a rolling

1666
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:56,170
thing so the car the autonomous car just

1667
01:21:00,780 --> 01:20:57,760
sat there because the humans never

1668
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:00,790
stopped at a four-way stop so you know

1669
01:21:05,310 --> 01:21:03,310
the rules is the first step

1670
01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:05,320
data is the second step but then

1671
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:07,150
there's this fuzziness of how things

1672
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:08,800
happen in the real world and so we're

1673
01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:11,650
still a ways away from unlocking this

1674
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:16,840
gate I think and the the the question

1675
01:21:26,879 --> 01:21:20,040
that I think should be addressed is

1676
01:21:31,229 --> 01:21:26,889
should we not allow machine learning in

1677
01:21:33,390 --> 01:21:31,239
the aspect of we we throw the code in it

1678
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:33,400
you know it's done it's perfected and

1679
01:21:40,979 --> 01:21:35,770
they can do their task but there's no

1680
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:40,989
like Ram there's no there's no ability

1681
01:21:47,819 --> 01:21:44,290
to you could only read but you can't

1682
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:47,829
write and you can't solve problems

1683
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,050
you're only dealing with and the code

1684
01:21:57,450 --> 01:21:53,440
could be very complex but the code only

1685
01:21:59,959 --> 01:21:57,460
reads it would that be an answer well

1686
01:22:04,200 --> 01:21:59,969
that's an initial answer right and so

1687
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:04,210
today you know most of the time the code

1688
01:22:08,970 --> 01:22:06,310
is written actually there are general

1689
01:22:10,819 --> 01:22:08,980
algorithms right like the IBM Watson but

1690
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,829
then they're applied and trained on

1691
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:13,360
specific datasets and they run on

1692
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:17,440
specific computers but there's a there's

1693
01:22:21,569 --> 01:22:19,030
an interesting book on this by an MIT

1694
01:22:23,790 --> 01:22:21,579
professor named Max tegmark called life

1695
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:23,800
3.0 and he lays out a scenario where a

1696
01:22:27,930 --> 01:22:25,449
company developed this general-purpose

1697
01:22:30,990 --> 01:22:27,940
AI and they ran it only on virtual

1698
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:31,000
machines right and so virtual machine is

1699
01:22:37,229 --> 01:22:34,690
like for example you know I have a Mac

1700
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:37,239
here but I could run Windows on a

1701
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:39,489
virtual machine inside my Mac so it

1702
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:42,760
becomes like a bounded virtual machine

1703
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:46,090
so if it's running in there it can't

1704
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:48,420
necessarily affect my Hardware directly

1705
01:22:52,890 --> 01:22:51,250
because it's limited it's not running on

1706
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:52,900
an actual physical processor it's

1707
01:22:56,729 --> 01:22:54,340
running on code on top of the processor

1708
01:22:59,879 --> 01:22:56,739
that's right and so there are ways to do

1709
01:23:01,589 --> 01:22:59,889
that initially but over time you know as

1710
01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:01,599
the virtual machines get more

1711
01:23:05,399 --> 01:23:03,790
sophisticated and there are ways for

1712
01:23:07,979 --> 01:23:05,409
virtual machines to talk to each other

1713
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:07,989
you know that becomes a little more

1714
01:23:13,140 --> 01:23:10,480
tenuous right I think in the beginning

1715
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:13,150
yes but over time it depends on how many

1716
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:14,710
of those virtual machines are out there

1717
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:17,170
and how sophisticated they are and as we

1718
01:23:21,070 --> 01:23:18,409
start talking about IO

1719
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,080
this is why the equation isn't just AI

1720
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:23,600
equals PI now right it's these other

1721
01:23:28,540 --> 01:23:27,110
pieces that actually make a big

1722
01:23:31,330 --> 01:23:28,550
difference because if the virtual

1723
01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:31,340
machines are running on these IOT s well

1724
01:23:34,750 --> 01:23:32,750
they have to be able to impact the

1725
01:23:38,169 --> 01:23:34,760
hardware somehow right you can't isolate

1726
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:38,179
them completely and if code can run on

1727
01:23:42,910 --> 01:23:40,130
these IOT s then you've got the

1728
01:23:45,340 --> 01:23:42,920
possibility for bad things to happen

1729
01:23:48,939 --> 01:23:45,350
yeah well address this after we're done

1730
01:23:50,620 --> 01:23:48,949
all of these because you're right

1731
01:23:53,169 --> 01:23:50,630
not only should there be an off switch

1732
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:53,179
and we'll discuss this further but maybe

1733
01:23:57,939 --> 01:23:56,239
a total disconnect from the IOT could be

1734
01:24:01,330 --> 01:23:57,949
an answer to as well it could still

1735
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:01,340
learn but not you know remove its you

1736
01:24:06,820 --> 01:24:04,760
know remove its antenna if you will but

1737
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:06,830
then we have the the other part of this

1738
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,120
is where you have you know the Machine

1739
01:24:16,060 --> 01:24:13,760
side but you have the AI side and if the

1740
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:16,070
two of them are working together then

1741
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:18,170
they could possibly figure out how to

1742
01:24:23,709 --> 01:24:20,810
how to get the workarounds how to work

1743
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,719
around humans right and that's where you

1744
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:25,040
know the more intelligent the AI is

1745
01:24:29,740 --> 01:24:27,770
that's where it configured that kind of

1746
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:29,750
thing out which is because every

1747
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,650
computer in a sense has a base level of

1748
01:24:39,399 --> 01:24:36,320
codes usually called assembly code you

1749
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:39,409
know right at the microchip level and so

1750
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:41,330
if the AI becomes smart enough it can

1751
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:42,650
figure out that it's running in a

1752
01:24:49,689 --> 01:24:45,770
virtual machine and then it can figure

1753
01:24:51,540 --> 01:24:49,699
out how to access the assembly code at

1754
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:51,550
which point it can do whatever it wants

1755
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:56,050
that's and that's the scary part because

1756
01:25:04,660 --> 01:25:00,800
Maday not the day after the second the

1757
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:04,670
nanosecond after singularity is achieved

1758
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:07,250
right the nanosecond

1759
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:11,690
Riz the nanosecond it's over because the

1760
01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:16,010
ability to learn now runs 24 it doesn't

1761
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:19,480
have to sleep right and and that's right

1762
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,639
the abilities is what some people call

1763
01:25:26,620 --> 01:25:24,320
like an intelligence in explosions

1764
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:26,630
people in the field say that the minute

1765
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:29,030
it gets to the singularity it then

1766
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:31,550
redesigns itself and starts designing

1767
01:25:34,350 --> 01:25:32,110
other

1768
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:34,360
physical robots based on hardware that

1769
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:36,730
it can control right and it does it very

1770
01:25:40,530 --> 01:25:39,010
quickly like you said I mean again going

1771
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:40,540
back to science-fiction right with the

1772
01:25:44,129 --> 01:25:42,070
Terminator the famous line was it

1773
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:44,139
doesn't eat it doesn't sleep that's what

1774
01:25:49,229 --> 01:25:46,719
it does that's all it does right right

1775
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:49,239
and so you know that that nanosecond

1776
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:52,210
after the singularity when all bets are

1777
01:25:57,149 --> 01:25:52,810
off

1778
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:57,159
not not a couple of years later but a

1779
01:26:03,390 --> 01:26:00,400
week later you would have a very bad

1780
01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:03,400
problem on your hands

1781
01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:07,409
a planet a planet full of super-smart

1782
01:26:13,740 --> 01:26:11,230
Einsteins right that don't care about

1783
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:13,750
you and they don't need food that's a

1784
01:26:19,050 --> 01:26:15,250
scary thought let's get to gate number

1785
01:26:20,609 --> 01:26:19,060
two we'll set up we'll pick up by gate

1786
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:20,619
number two after the break we've got a

1787
01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:22,000
couple of minutes here but gate number

1788
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:25,150
two a eye which can easily interface

1789
01:26:30,750 --> 01:26:27,850
with the physical world take us through

1790
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,760
that right so this is you know an

1791
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:33,040
important gate and this is one that has

1792
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:35,770
two parts the first is AI which can

1793
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:37,330
interface with a physical world and the

1794
01:26:41,939 --> 01:26:39,489
second is when it can interface with

1795
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:41,949
weapons right that's when we start to

1796
01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:43,690
become worried I mentioned the x-files

1797
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:46,420
episode earlier right where all the

1798
01:26:52,050 --> 01:26:48,449
different machines were or misbehaving

1799
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:52,060
today we we have some AI that's

1800
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:54,850
interacting with the physical world we

1801
01:26:59,310 --> 01:26:57,730
have autonomous cars as a perfect

1802
01:27:01,979 --> 01:26:59,320
example this is why I keep bringing them

1803
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:01,989
up because the algorithms for autonomous

1804
01:27:07,919 --> 01:27:04,090
cars are now being applied to autonomous

1805
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:07,929
drones and autonomous planes and whence

1806
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:10,510
you once you have those you're in a very

1807
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:13,150
different place once you have AI

1808
01:27:18,510 --> 01:27:15,760
deciding what the drone should do then

1809
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:18,520
it's really you know not that far of a

1810
01:27:25,229 --> 01:27:22,330
leap for it to be able to actually fire

1811
01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:25,239
those weapons so you know today I

1812
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:27,369
mentioned the drones earlier that that

1813
01:27:32,129 --> 01:27:30,460
the military uses well who's controlling

1814
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:32,139
those drones well right now it could be

1815
01:27:36,780 --> 01:27:34,810
somebody at the CIA right who's looking

1816
01:27:38,939 --> 01:27:36,790
at a monitor and their computer with the

1817
01:27:40,620 --> 01:27:38,949
joystick and they're controlling you

1818
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:40,630
know whether the drone should fire or

1819
01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:43,360
not or you've got some special forces in

1820
01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:45,310
the field that are either controlling

1821
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:45,640
the drone

1822
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:48,130
from there or they're using GPS signals

1823
01:27:55,020 --> 01:27:51,040
to tell the drone exactly where to go

1824
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:55,030
so you know we've got both AI that's

1825
01:27:59,580 --> 01:27:56,590
interfacing with the physical world and

1826
01:28:01,950 --> 01:27:59,590
we have objects like drones which have

1827
01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:01,960
weapons that are attached to them now

1828
01:28:06,570 --> 01:28:04,300
all in AI would have to do is intercept

1829
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:06,580
that signal right the signal from the

1830
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:09,730
CIA to the drone and suddenly it has the

1831
01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:13,570
ability to fire those on whatever it

1832
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:17,590
decides you know is the right target and

1833
01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:20,050
you know was it I think Vladimir Putin

1834
01:28:25,410 --> 01:28:22,870
was saying that the country that has the

1835
01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:25,420
best AI you know we'll basically control

1836
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:27,940
the world in the future and that's

1837
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:29,950
really interesting which means that

1838
01:28:35,220 --> 01:28:32,890
probably most militaries at least the

1839
01:28:38,490 --> 01:28:35,230
bigger ones are already experimenting

1840
01:28:40,590 --> 01:28:38,500
with autonomous weapons systems right so

1841
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:40,600
that has gate number two gate number two

1842
01:28:44,220 --> 01:28:42,060
I think is one of the first to being

1843
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:44,230
opened actually gate number one's a

1844
01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:45,850
little bit harder because you have to

1845
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:47,260
have general-purpose a high but gate

1846
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,170
number two is not that hard and the IOT

1847
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:52,480
being out there makes it much more

1848
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:56,560
possible for this to happen and you know

1849
01:29:00,420 --> 01:28:58,210
I also have some pictures in the article

1850
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:00,430
of some of the Boston Dynamics robots

1851
01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:03,040
which some of you may have seen videos

1852
01:29:06,690 --> 01:29:05,260
of it looks like a dog it's got four

1853
01:29:08,670 --> 01:29:06,700
legs but there are different versions

1854
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:08,680
with you know we talked about you talked

1855
01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:10,690
about octopuses earlier right you could

1856
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:13,270
imagine eight-legged versions that can

1857
01:29:18,210 --> 01:29:16,090
basically you know traverse any kind of

1858
01:29:20,850 --> 01:29:18,220
terrain and and if you watch the videos

1859
01:29:22,110 --> 01:29:20,860
for this the big dog you see it kind of

1860
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:22,120
going up steps and going through

1861
01:29:25,650 --> 01:29:24,310
hallways and you can see videos where

1862
01:29:27,930 --> 01:29:25,660
it's kind of looking at what's in front

1863
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:27,940
of it and it's making decisions about

1864
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:30,370
which direction to go or which direction

1865
01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:33,850
not to go did you see the episode of

1866
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:37,540
black mirror with those dogs you know

1867
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:39,730
I've heard about it I haven't seen it's

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identical to the to the dynamics dog is

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01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:48,040
yellow but there's still the same face

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the same front the same sensors and the

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01:29:58,350 --> 01:29:55,900
same frightening capabilities there but

1872
01:30:02,520 --> 01:29:58,360
now I've got to take a break but this is

1873
01:30:04,770 --> 01:30:02,530
think about this if you are a bad guy

1874
01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:04,780
out there in a military situation so

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01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:06,550
let's say you're Isis and you're in you

1876
01:30:11,370 --> 01:30:08,890
know some village and you see some

1877
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:11,380
troops coming at you well you know that

1878
01:30:17,550 --> 01:30:14,050
those are troops and you can shoot at

1879
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:17,560
the troops with your gun but imagine a

1880
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:21,370
hundred little drones coming at you with

1881
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,370
facial recognition right that's right

1882
01:30:28,050 --> 01:30:26,320
right and some of these draw and you

1883
01:30:29,790 --> 01:30:28,060
know something I might link mistakes at

1884
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:29,800
times is yeah there's nothing you can do

1885
01:30:35,070 --> 01:30:32,170
that's when you drop and run you just

1886
01:30:37,890 --> 01:30:35,080
drop your gun and run but take that same

1887
01:30:40,530 --> 01:30:37,900
scenario with that facial recognition in

1888
01:30:42,570 --> 01:30:40,540
a crowd now you've got a bad actor in a

1889
01:30:44,340 --> 01:30:42,580
crowd they've identified somebody at a

1890
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:44,350
rock concert that is going to attend a

1891
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:47,050
rock concert and go and do something and

1892
01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:50,560
and take out the crowd you know take out

1893
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:53,230
one single guy in a crowd with facial

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01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:56,650
recognition we are right on the edge of

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01:31:03,450 --> 01:30:59,920
that being a possibility and if that

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01:31:05,700 --> 01:31:03,460
goes into the wrong hands now we've got

1897
01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:05,710
a really bad like you said if something

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01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,020
wants to take over the system it

1899
01:31:14,610 --> 01:31:10,560
certainly can and you could input any

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01:31:16,260 --> 01:31:14,620
photograph right that's right and you

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01:31:19,530 --> 01:31:16,270
know the future of assassination is

1902
01:31:21,959 --> 01:31:19,540
really going to be these drones you know

1903
01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:21,969
that are out there killing people rather

1904
01:31:27,330 --> 01:31:24,280
than snipers necessarily because they

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01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:27,340
can go anywhere and you know you don't

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01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:29,170
have to put you don't have to have send

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01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:32,800
troops out specifically so the key is if

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01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:35,770
the machine can make that decision or

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01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:37,090
it's the human that has to make the

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01:31:42,090 --> 01:31:39,370
decision right I mean there was a case

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where in the Soviet Union where the

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01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:43,630
radar said there were five missiles

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coming from America and they were

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01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:47,949
supposed to fire their nuclear rockets

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01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,230
if missiles if that happened and there

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01:31:55,169 --> 01:31:52,960
was an operator of the station who

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01:31:57,930 --> 01:31:55,179
looked at it he didn't believe that the

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01:32:00,270 --> 01:31:57,940
US would fire only five five missiles if

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01:32:01,620 --> 01:32:00,280
it was going to do an actual first

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01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:01,630
strike and so he didn't tell his

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01:32:05,450 --> 01:32:03,730
superiors about it turned out it was a

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01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:05,460
mistake in the sensors and somehow

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01:32:09,450 --> 01:32:07,810
sunlight bouncing off certain things

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01:32:11,670 --> 01:32:09,460
actually made the radar I think that

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or five missiles coming from Alaska to

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01:32:14,910 --> 01:32:13,000
the Soviet Union it was a good thing he

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01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:14,920
had that human judgment and so if you

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01:32:18,750 --> 01:32:16,450
don't have that human judgment in there

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01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:18,760
you know the possibility for mistakes

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is is really high and we have to we have

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to constantly think about it in those

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terms because if it would have been AI

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01:32:30,150 --> 01:32:28,900
making that decision you and I wouldn't

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be here on the radio right now

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this is fade to black and that's the

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truth stayed to black our guest tonight

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R is Burke we'll be right back stay with

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with Jimmy Church on the game change in

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network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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[Music]

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01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:41,320
welcome back fade to black

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01:36:45,250 --> 01:36:42,590
I'm your host Jimmy Church I guess

2009
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,260
tonight rizz Burke and we are talking

2010
01:36:51,070 --> 01:36:47,840
about his article recently published at

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01:36:53,260 --> 01:36:51,080
hacker noon we're gonna get it up there

2012
01:36:55,330 --> 01:36:53,270
and on stellar here in just a second but

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01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:55,340
it's called the road to killer AI ml

2014
01:37:04,689 --> 01:36:57,290
plus blockchain Plus IOT post drones

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01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:04,699
equals Skynet yeah Riz the next gate and

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01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,890
we're gonna get through all of this

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01:37:10,689 --> 01:37:08,719
because we have to go back and and and

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01:37:12,610 --> 01:37:10,699
talk about all of these implications and

2019
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,620
and continue to break this down it's

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01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:15,440
fascinating the gate number three I've

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01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:19,310
talked about so much and I'm glad that

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01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:21,260
you pointed this out as probably being

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01:37:25,900 --> 01:37:24,110
the most important gate number one which

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01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:25,910
is the off switch we'll get to that in a

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01:37:34,689 --> 01:37:29,090
second but how has the hacker noon

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01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:34,699
community responded to this article well

2027
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:35,810
you know it's gotten a lot of

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01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:39,530
interesting responses and I think

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01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:42,530
there's a lot of enthusiasm about AI

2030
01:37:48,610 --> 01:37:45,530
right now in the kind of the technical

2031
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:48,620
community but there have been you know a

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01:37:52,420 --> 01:37:50,690
lot of prominent folks you know ranging

2033
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:52,430
from Stephen Hawking who passed away

2034
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:54,110
recently entail on mosques saying that

2035
01:37:58,360 --> 01:37:56,330
AI could be the biggest existential

2036
01:38:00,340 --> 01:37:58,370
threat so I think many people are aware

2037
01:38:01,959 --> 01:38:00,350
of it well you know what I try to do in

2038
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:01,969
this article is to say how do we get

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01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,199
there from here

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01:38:08,530 --> 01:38:05,600
and not to provide a road map but really

2041
01:38:10,689 --> 01:38:08,540
to for us to see the signposts along the

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01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,699
way that might get us to be worried so

2043
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:12,080
yeah I've had a lot of a lot of good

2044
01:38:16,930 --> 01:38:14,210
responses you know to the article well

2045
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:16,940
you know the hackers out there of all

2046
01:38:23,290 --> 01:38:20,330
forms and developers and coders and and

2047
01:38:25,870 --> 01:38:23,300
that community they they discuss these

2048
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:25,880
implications all the time and certainly

2049
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:28,570
think about it but getting it out there

2050
01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:31,130
globally to discuss this is something

2051
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:33,440
that it really needs to be addressed and

2052
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:35,600
I and I don't think that it is talked

2053
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:37,910
about enough and and as long as it

2054
01:38:41,709 --> 01:38:39,410
doesn't interfere with somebody's life

2055
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:41,719
right now they tend to ignore it and

2056
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:45,170
that's a scary thought for me and I

2057
01:38:49,630 --> 01:38:46,810
think you know that's generally true of

2058
01:38:50,590 --> 01:38:49,640
technical people and scientists right

2059
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:50,600
going back to

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01:38:55,450 --> 01:38:53,330
the development of the atomic bomb right

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01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:55,460
I mean they were just focused you know

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01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,050
they had the Manhattan Project they had

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01:39:01,630 --> 01:38:59,600
that place up in Los Alamos where for

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01:39:04,150 --> 01:39:01,640
two years you know the scientists were

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01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:04,160
focused and engineers on one thing which

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01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:06,650
is how do we take the theory of atomic

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01:39:10,930 --> 01:39:08,450
fission and make a bomb and it wasn't

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01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:10,940
until they actually you know had a

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01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:14,570
working prototype which they exploded at

2070
01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:17,090
Trinity in New Mexico that they really

2071
01:39:21,670 --> 01:39:19,190
started to wonder about what they had

2072
01:39:23,710 --> 01:39:21,680
done right you have the famous line

2073
01:39:26,170 --> 01:39:23,720
where Robert Oppenheimer who was the

2074
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:26,180
head of the project you know remembered

2075
01:39:29,860 --> 01:39:27,890
from the bhagavad-gita it said I have

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01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:29,870
become death itself and suddenly he

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01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:31,040
started to have second thoughts about

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01:39:34,420 --> 01:39:32,780
what he'd been doing the good thing

2079
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:34,430
about this topic is there's enough

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01:39:39,550 --> 01:39:37,130
people talking about it now that we may

2081
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:39,560
be able to head it off before it happens

2082
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:41,840
right because it is in the consciousness

2083
01:39:45,610 --> 01:39:43,850
now that this could actually happen the

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01:39:47,950 --> 01:39:45,620
AI is getting sophisticated enough to

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01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:47,960
get there so I've talked about this off

2086
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:51,890
switch and you point out here for gate

2087
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:53,570
number three that right now there isn't

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01:39:58,750 --> 01:39:57,170
one yeah and actually before I get to

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01:40:00,160 --> 01:39:58,760
that just with gate number two there's

2090
01:40:02,500 --> 01:40:00,170
one other thing I wanted to bring up

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01:40:04,710 --> 01:40:02,510
which is so as I said I'm pretty sure

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01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:04,720
most militaries are already

2093
01:40:10,090 --> 01:40:07,850
experimenting with autonomous weapons

2094
01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:10,100
autonomous killing machines even if they

2095
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:11,510
haven't rolled it out because they're

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01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:14,210
experimenting in a very specific way you

2097
01:40:19,180 --> 01:40:16,250
know I also talked about how machines

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01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:19,190
were machine learning was very specific

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01:40:25,150 --> 01:40:22,880
tasks and they could beat humans at some

2100
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:25,160
games well something happened recently

2101
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:27,170
and this is Elon Musk's open AI

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01:40:33,130 --> 01:40:29,690
initiative where they actually had the

2103
01:40:34,330 --> 01:40:33,140
machine play a video game so now we're

2104
01:40:37,210 --> 01:40:34,340
not talking about chess or physical

2105
01:40:39,610 --> 01:40:37,220
games we're talking about a video game

2106
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:39,620
like dota 2 I don't know if any of your

2107
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:42,290
listeners know you know either dota 2 or

2108
01:40:47,260 --> 01:40:44,450
counter-strike or League of Legends

2109
01:40:48,970 --> 01:40:47,270
these are very popular eSports games

2110
01:40:51,190 --> 01:40:48,980
where people compete against each other

2111
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:51,200
by playing these video games and in

2112
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:54,050
these games you're you're like a wizard

2113
01:40:59,470 --> 01:40:57,170
you're like a sorcerer a thief a

2114
01:41:03,070 --> 01:40:59,480
barbarian and you're trying to kill the

2115
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:03,080
other team of five and so turns out that

2116
01:41:06,330 --> 01:41:04,330
AI can play

2117
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:06,340
those games as well if not better than

2118
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:08,770
humans because of the response time

2119
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:10,510
right so they can have a response time

2120
01:41:14,340 --> 01:41:12,490
that we really can't have as humans and

2121
01:41:17,850 --> 01:41:14,350
so they were able to beat the best dota

2122
01:41:19,980 --> 01:41:17,860
2 players so this is a case where an AI

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01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:19,990
a computer program is playing a video

2124
01:41:24,060 --> 01:41:21,850
game which is a computer generated game

2125
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:24,070
with graphics on the strain it's looking

2126
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:26,410
at the graphics and it's using machine

2127
01:41:31,650 --> 01:41:29,710
vision to figure out okay this is a

2128
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:31,660
character this is a character this is a

2129
01:41:36,300 --> 01:41:34,330
background object and so we've talked

2130
01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:36,310
about machine vision being used in the

2131
01:41:39,690 --> 01:41:38,350
real world by autonomous cars for

2132
01:41:41,550 --> 01:41:39,700
frigging out you know when they should

2133
01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:41,560
turn and when they should stop but this

2134
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:42,940
is interesting because it's machine

2135
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:45,010
vision in a computer program itself it's

2136
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:48,250
a computer-generated world and they're

2137
01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:49,890
very effective now anyone who's seen

2138
01:41:54,180 --> 01:41:52,510
counter-strike as a game of Counter

2139
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:54,190
Strike global Offensive you know you've

2140
01:41:58,380 --> 01:41:56,170
got these military guys in kind of an

2141
01:42:01,320 --> 01:41:58,390
Iraq like situation shooting at each

2142
01:42:03,540 --> 01:42:01,330
other well if the AI is able to direct

2143
01:42:05,190 --> 01:42:03,550
those virtual guns so well at and

2144
01:42:05,580 --> 01:42:05,200
recognize which are humans and which

2145
01:42:10,230 --> 01:42:05,590
aren't

2146
01:42:12,660 --> 01:42:10,240
it's not a far leap for to look at the

2147
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,670
images coming from drones or that are in

2148
01:42:16,350 --> 01:42:14,560
the battlefield and figure out what our

2149
01:42:17,580 --> 01:42:16,360
characters what our people what our not

2150
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:17,590
and start shooting at them it's the same

2151
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:18,910
kind of mechanic

2152
01:42:24,150 --> 01:42:21,370
so really gate number two is worrisome

2153
01:42:25,470 --> 01:42:24,160
because we're pretty much there we will

2154
01:42:29,820 --> 01:42:25,480
be within a few years

2155
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,830
yeah dota 2 is cool by the way yeah it's

2156
01:42:32,730 --> 01:42:31,360
a cool game but it's interesting that

2157
01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:32,740
you know the machines can learn to play

2158
01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:35,620
it just by looking at the visuals and

2159
01:42:41,310 --> 01:42:38,140
how what's happening yes me and so are

2160
01:42:44,220 --> 01:42:41,320
they when we're talking about this are

2161
01:42:46,980 --> 01:42:44,230
they using the controller electronically

2162
01:42:50,250 --> 01:42:46,990
or is there a robot hand controlling the

2163
01:42:52,350 --> 01:42:50,260
controller I probably they're they're

2164
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:52,360
not using a robot hand everybody has

2165
01:42:56,250 --> 01:42:54,610
soft without the rhythm right yeah give

2166
01:42:58,920 --> 01:42:56,260
like move the cursor around on the

2167
01:43:01,260 --> 01:42:58,930
screen right so you can kind of you can

2168
01:43:02,430 --> 01:43:01,270
take over the input midstream and it's

2169
01:43:03,630 --> 01:43:02,440
the same kind of thing that I talked

2170
01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:03,640
about earlier where you have the CIA

2171
01:43:07,470 --> 01:43:05,710
analysts operating a drone with a

2172
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:07,480
joystick sending a signal to the drone

2173
01:43:11,700 --> 01:43:09,790
they would just cut in the middle of

2174
01:43:12,990 --> 01:43:11,710
that and send the signal and not have to

2175
01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:13,000
worry about the physical track and

2176
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:16,870
there's also the lag time of engaging a

2177
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:17,570
button

2178
01:43:23,890 --> 01:43:20,480
moving you know the joystick there's a

2179
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:23,900
lag time there and electronically that

2180
01:43:30,580 --> 01:43:26,510
you're limited to right but if you are

2181
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:30,590
making the electronic connection that

2182
01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:32,719
you're engaging the switch on or the

2183
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:34,670
button but that is switched

2184
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:37,130
electronically in software there's no

2185
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:38,960
way you could beat the machine the

2186
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:41,210
machine would just kick your ass it

2187
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:48,800
would be dated speed a light response

2188
01:43:55,839 --> 01:43:54,170
time wow that's a crazy thought so okay

2189
01:44:01,930 --> 01:43:55,849
so yeah that's exactly right

2190
01:44:03,970 --> 01:44:01,940
and when DARPA right now addressing this

2191
01:44:09,729 --> 01:44:03,980
and then we'll move on to the off switch

2192
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,739
DARPA just released not too long ago one

2193
01:44:18,129 --> 01:44:11,840
of their projects which is a missile

2194
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:18,139
swarm right so you don't have what you

2195
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:20,810
don't have one Tomahawk missile that's

2196
01:44:26,649 --> 01:44:23,360
intelligent no you have a hundred

2197
01:44:30,450 --> 01:44:26,659
smaller versions of it that just stay on

2198
01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:30,460
theater and they wait for something to

2199
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:34,760
attack intelligently that there's a

2200
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:36,650
hundred of them up there instead of one

2201
01:44:40,540 --> 01:44:39,530
big one and they just cruise around and

2202
01:44:42,370 --> 01:44:40,550
and wait

2203
01:44:44,910 --> 01:44:42,380
that's a scary and that's that's what

2204
01:44:48,010 --> 01:44:44,920
they are working on right now and

2205
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:48,020
looking for deployment of this in 2020

2206
01:44:53,530 --> 01:44:50,239
and this is we're halfway through twenty

2207
01:44:56,129 --> 01:44:53,540
years that's very soon and when you've

2208
01:45:00,069 --> 01:44:56,139
got swarms like that right that are all

2209
01:45:01,810 --> 01:45:00,079
attacking now you need an AI in response

2210
01:45:05,290 --> 01:45:01,820
so what we're really talking about is an

2211
01:45:07,060 --> 01:45:05,300
AI arms race in a way right so there's

2212
01:45:08,649 --> 01:45:07,070
the connection to the physical objects

2213
01:45:10,410 --> 01:45:08,659
but then there's the response time of

2214
01:45:15,850 --> 01:45:10,420
people controlling those objects and

2215
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:15,860
already you know on a lot of destroyer

2216
01:45:20,649 --> 01:45:17,810
u.s. warships you know there are

2217
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:20,659
anti-missile systems that are scanning

2218
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:22,880
the radar and firing automatically but

2219
01:45:26,649 --> 01:45:25,489
you still need some human approval but

2220
01:45:29,140 --> 01:45:26,659
once you get to the point where you've

2221
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:29,150
got these swarms attacking you know the

2222
01:45:33,630 --> 01:45:31,090
only thing that can respond is a

2223
01:45:35,190 --> 01:45:33,640
so now the other side has to have better

2224
01:45:37,460 --> 01:45:35,200
AI and then you have to have better AI

2225
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:37,470
and then suddenly you're in an arms race

2226
01:45:41,220 --> 01:45:39,910
and that's where it becomes scary I mean

2227
01:45:42,540 --> 01:45:41,230
I think we're still a little ways off

2228
01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:42,550
from that but it's coming pretty soon

2229
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:44,710
yeah that's that's that's the goal I

2230
01:45:50,310 --> 01:45:47,410
mean that's the goal for for for all of

2231
01:45:51,810 --> 01:45:50,320
the big state players here okay let's

2232
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:51,820
discuss this off switch

2233
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:55,510
AI doesn't have one today well depends

2234
01:46:00,930 --> 01:45:57,520
on where the AI is and this is actually

2235
01:46:05,370 --> 01:46:00,940
I think one of the things that we can

2236
01:46:08,130 --> 01:46:05,380
probably control and you know the idea

2237
01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:08,140
is that if there's no off switch that's

2238
01:46:12,810 --> 01:46:10,240
when we have to worry about this

2239
01:46:14,910 --> 01:46:12,820
nightmare scenario that AI could take

2240
01:46:18,450 --> 01:46:14,920
over because if you just have one robot

2241
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:18,460
that's really intelligent right we can

2242
01:46:25,980 --> 01:46:21,330
just destroy the robot with a missile

2243
01:46:27,690 --> 01:46:25,990
and so but if it's not just one robot

2244
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:27,700
and the same thing with I mentioned data

2245
01:46:31,650 --> 01:46:29,460
in Star Trek The Next Generation

2246
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:31,660
intelligent Android well he had an off

2247
01:46:37,050 --> 01:46:35,170
switch and he actually let the Star Trek

2248
01:46:38,820 --> 01:46:37,060
crew captain forgotten others turned him

2249
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:38,830
off from time to time means a little

2250
01:46:43,710 --> 01:46:41,290
switch in the back of his head you know

2251
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:43,720
it's not given that an intelligent robot

2252
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:45,970
would let us turn it off to begin with

2253
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:48,970
but I think the bigger issue and and I

2254
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:51,610
use a analogy again from Terminator 3

2255
01:46:58,650 --> 01:46:55,690
rise of the machines right where the the

2256
01:47:01,290 --> 01:46:58,660
young John Connor breaks into this

2257
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:01,300
military NORAD like base I think in

2258
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:03,370
Cheyenne Mountain because they're trying

2259
01:47:07,980 --> 01:47:05,050
to turn off Skynet because they know

2260
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:07,990
that this nightmare scenario is coming

2261
01:47:12,990 --> 01:47:11,050
and so they break in they're able to get

2262
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:13,000
into the bunker and he wants to turn off

2263
01:47:17,670 --> 01:47:14,490
the computer and that's when he realizes

2264
01:47:20,190 --> 01:47:17,680
right that there is no central computer

2265
01:47:22,290 --> 01:47:20,200
and direct quote is you know by the time

2266
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:22,300
Skynet became self-aware it had spread

2267
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:24,130
into millions of computer servers across

2268
01:47:28,170 --> 01:47:26,530
the planet ordinary computers and office

2269
01:47:30,420 --> 01:47:28,180
buildings dorm rooms everywhere it was

2270
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:30,430
software in cyberspace there was no

2271
01:47:36,510 --> 01:47:32,490
system core it could not be shut down

2272
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:36,520
well that's happening today and that's

2273
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:38,410
where blockchain and peer-to-peer

2274
01:47:44,490 --> 01:47:42,010
computing and IOT really come into play

2275
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:44,500
the whole point of the blockchain

2276
01:47:49,260 --> 01:47:46,480
is that nobody can shut it down so you

2277
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:49,270
can't just take one server offline you'd

2278
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:51,520
have to take all of them offline which

2279
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:54,400
is very difficult to do because now we

2280
01:47:58,140 --> 01:47:56,560
have servers running around the wall now

2281
01:47:59,760 --> 01:47:58,150
you know I'm actually a proponent of

2282
01:48:01,230 --> 01:47:59,770
blockchain technology so I'm not saying

2283
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:01,240
that we shouldn't pursue that technology

2284
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:03,730
I'm just saying that it gives us a

2285
01:48:09,930 --> 01:48:07,840
platform for where the code can run and

2286
01:48:12,210 --> 01:48:09,940
even when Terminator 3 came out the IOT

2287
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:12,220
was not such a big thing but you know

2288
01:48:16,350 --> 01:48:14,530
another popular show is the show Silicon

2289
01:48:17,970 --> 01:48:16,360
Valley on HBO which I don't know if

2290
01:48:19,530 --> 01:48:17,980
you've seen that show or some of your

2291
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:19,540
listeners may have all when at the end

2292
01:48:23,130 --> 01:48:21,850
of the last season they had like these

2293
01:48:24,930 --> 01:48:23,140
servers where they had a bunch of data

2294
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:24,940
and the servers were dying and they

2295
01:48:28,350 --> 01:48:26,170
needed to figure out what to do with the

2296
01:48:31,740 --> 01:48:28,360
data and the data got saved by being

2297
01:48:33,660 --> 01:48:31,750
transmitted to 30,000 smart fridges so

2298
01:48:36,330 --> 01:48:33,670
the data was preserved across this

2299
01:48:38,670 --> 01:48:36,340
network of little android-based devices

2300
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:38,680
that happen to be running inside fridges

2301
01:48:44,490 --> 01:48:40,480
now I don't know how realistic that is

2302
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:44,500
today but eventually as IOT grows this

2303
01:48:49,650 --> 01:48:46,090
is where blockchain comes in you can

2304
01:48:52,380 --> 01:48:49,660
have the same code running in lots of

2305
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:52,390
different places and so how do you shut

2306
01:48:58,200 --> 01:48:56,170
it down and even if you shut it down

2307
01:49:00,590 --> 01:48:58,210
who's to say you couldn't just take that

2308
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:00,600
same code and start it up somewhere else

2309
01:49:04,980 --> 01:49:02,770
and you know one of the other science

2310
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:04,990
fiction references I make you know early

2311
01:49:10,230 --> 01:49:07,600
early in the article is from the novel

2312
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,240
dune by Frank Herbert which is a you

2313
01:49:14,940 --> 01:49:12,880
know very popular ecologically oriented

2314
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,950
novel that takes place years like

2315
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:17,040
thousands of years in the future maybe

2316
01:49:22,620 --> 01:49:20,110
10,000 or more years and in that world

2317
01:49:24,660 --> 01:49:22,630
they don't have any computers they have

2318
01:49:26,670 --> 01:49:24,670
humans performing the calculations and

2319
01:49:28,110 --> 01:49:26,680
stuff and as you read the novel or some

2320
01:49:30,180 --> 01:49:28,120
of you may have seen you know the movie

2321
01:49:31,740 --> 01:49:30,190
David Lynch had a version of it back in

2322
01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:31,750
the 80s and sci-fi channel had another

2323
01:49:36,990 --> 01:49:34,510
version but they realized that their

2324
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:37,000
Bible has a rule in there and the rule

2325
01:49:44,370 --> 01:49:40,840
is thou shalt not make a machine in the

2326
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:44,380
image of the human mind and why is that

2327
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:47,170
well turns out in that world

2328
01:49:52,140 --> 01:49:49,600
there was this intelligent supercomputer

2329
01:49:53,250 --> 01:49:52,150
that basically took over and enslaved

2330
01:49:55,710 --> 01:49:53,260
all of humanity

2331
01:49:58,020 --> 01:49:55,720
it's called Omni Eze and so eventually

2332
01:49:58,410 --> 01:49:58,030
there was a revolt after many thousands

2333
01:50:00,540 --> 01:49:58,420
of years

2334
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,550
and the humans were able to crush it but

2335
01:50:04,669 --> 01:50:02,080
they didn't just have to crush one they

2336
01:50:08,129 --> 01:50:04,679
had to crush every single copy of

2337
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:08,139
omnious who's the the AI in this case

2338
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:10,510
and what they found was that you know

2339
01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:12,610
Omni Eze could spin back up a backed-up

2340
01:50:17,879 --> 01:50:15,460
version of itself so you might have like

2341
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:17,889
one AI that's very sophisticated let's

2342
01:50:22,010 --> 01:50:19,510
say after the intelligence explosion

2343
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:22,020
even if you're able to disable that

2344
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:24,250
anybody can start running you know a

2345
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:26,110
backup version of that and it won't

2346
01:50:30,060 --> 01:50:27,760
won't have had the same experiences

2347
01:50:32,939 --> 01:50:30,070
because it may be an older version kind

2348
01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:32,949
of like a you know Microsoft Word 3.0

2349
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,830
right versus the ten dot o-- version but

2350
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:37,360
it still has the basic code there that

2351
01:50:42,899 --> 01:50:40,449
can then then learn and so that's where

2352
01:50:44,669 --> 01:50:42,909
I think these other buzzwords in the

2353
01:50:47,729 --> 01:50:44,679
equation are actually kind of important

2354
01:50:50,580 --> 01:50:47,739
because they would enable software to

2355
01:50:53,700 --> 01:50:50,590
run without an off switch and short of

2356
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:53,710
destroying all the computers and all of

2357
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,290
the devices and getting rid of

2358
01:51:01,740 --> 01:50:58,480
electricity right there would be no way

2359
01:51:03,870 --> 01:51:01,750
to turn off AI and that's why some

2360
01:51:05,250 --> 01:51:03,880
people say that you know when if you

2361
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:05,260
reach the singularity that's the last

2362
01:51:09,540 --> 01:51:07,360
algorithm because after that that

2363
01:51:11,419 --> 01:51:09,550
algorithm will improve itself and could

2364
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:11,429
potentially take over

2365
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:16,560
yeah be worthless and the second the the

2366
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:21,489
plank second after singularity the off

2367
01:51:25,950 --> 01:51:23,050
switch has already been thought about

2368
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:25,960
and and they've got a workaround so you

2369
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:27,610
go and you flip the off switch

2370
01:51:31,859 --> 01:51:30,010
oh man it's out of control right and you

2371
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:31,869
flip the off switch but they've already

2372
01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:35,290
you know AI is as as knew that you were

2373
01:51:44,399 --> 01:51:40,150
gonna do that right participation right

2374
01:51:46,590 --> 01:51:44,409
well it's a game theory out what the

2375
01:51:48,810 --> 01:51:46,600
possible moves are that's right try to

2376
01:51:52,649 --> 01:51:48,820
block them just like it does in chess or

2377
01:51:55,379 --> 01:51:52,659
in go that's right because what is you

2378
01:51:57,959 --> 01:51:55,389
know the simplest thing that humans

2379
01:52:00,890 --> 01:51:57,969
would think of the you know think of

2380
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:00,900
first is the off switch and that to a

2381
01:52:05,340 --> 01:52:04,090
sophisticated AI is like you know this

2382
01:52:08,370 --> 01:52:05,350
is the first thing that they're gonna

2383
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:08,380
think of and so the off switch you

2384
01:52:13,410 --> 01:52:11,050
understand what I'm saying right and so

2385
01:52:14,850 --> 01:52:13,420
sort of an electromagnetic pulse right

2386
01:52:16,620 --> 01:52:14,860
you've probably heard of those where

2387
01:52:18,660 --> 01:52:16,630
somebody detonates a nuclear weapon and

2388
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:18,670
it takes out all the electricity in a

2389
01:52:23,810 --> 01:52:21,520
certain area it would be hard and this

2390
01:52:26,910 --> 01:52:23,820
is where today so today's blockchain

2391
01:52:27,959 --> 01:52:26,920
ron's code in a very limited virtual

2392
01:52:30,750 --> 01:52:27,969
environment kind of like you were

2393
01:52:32,700 --> 01:52:30,760
talking about earlier Jimmy where the

2394
01:52:35,010 --> 01:52:32,710
code can't interact with other things

2395
01:52:37,260 --> 01:52:35,020
it's just running you know within this

2396
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:37,270
smart contract in this virtual machine

2397
01:52:42,330 --> 01:52:40,480
so we're not quite there but eventually

2398
01:52:44,069 --> 01:52:42,340
you can see it as those virtual machines

2399
01:52:46,620 --> 01:52:44,079
become more sophisticated they will

2400
01:52:48,899 --> 01:52:46,630
allow connections to the internet not

2401
01:52:51,180 --> 01:52:48,909
just for keeping track of transactions

2402
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:51,190
but writing really any code so as these

2403
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:53,770
smart contracts become smarter you know

2404
01:52:58,830 --> 01:52:56,290
that's where we hit we you know block it

2405
01:53:00,990 --> 01:52:58,840
C blockchain playing a role because the

2406
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:01,000
whole idea of blockchain is you have

2407
01:53:04,799 --> 01:53:03,010
multiple copies everywhere all running

2408
01:53:06,930 --> 01:53:04,809
the same code which means it's all

2409
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:06,940
coming to the same conclusion right or

2410
01:53:12,030 --> 01:53:10,239
or the idea of the blockchain it doesn't

2411
01:53:15,060 --> 01:53:12,040
even have to be the blockchain it's the

2412
01:53:17,970 --> 01:53:15,070
idea that you know what I mean the idea

2413
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:17,980
of the blockchain and how it is applied

2414
01:53:25,020 --> 01:53:20,610
it wouldn't have to be blockchain

2415
01:53:28,649 --> 01:53:25,030
but now which takes us right into very

2416
01:53:31,879 --> 01:53:28,659
smooth segue into gate number four which

2417
01:53:34,379 --> 01:53:31,889
is AI which is self-aware and

2418
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:34,389
prioritizes survival because that's

2419
01:53:39,390 --> 01:53:36,570
exactly what we're talking about here

2420
01:53:42,839 --> 01:53:39,400
yeah and so even if the other gates are

2421
01:53:44,700 --> 01:53:42,849
opened you know unless this gate unless

2422
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:44,710
the technology is invented for this gate

2423
01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:47,290
to open we probably don't have to worry

2424
01:53:52,669 --> 01:53:50,110
about a Skynet type scenario but the

2425
01:53:55,620 --> 01:53:52,679
problem is just like in that quote I

2426
01:53:58,140 --> 01:53:55,630
gave you from the terminators once it's

2427
01:54:00,540 --> 01:53:58,150
self-aware it may be too late at that

2428
01:54:02,959 --> 01:54:00,550
point because of the speed at which it

2429
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:02,969
does things now the problem is we don't

2430
01:54:10,049 --> 01:54:06,730
know how to define exactly what that

2431
01:54:12,660 --> 01:54:10,059
means right what is a self-aware machine

2432
01:54:14,339 --> 01:54:12,670
I mentioned alan turing earlier who's

2433
01:54:15,780 --> 01:54:14,349
one of the pioneers of computer science

2434
01:54:18,750 --> 01:54:15,790
and he defined something called the

2435
01:54:21,419 --> 01:54:18,760
Turing test which was that you would

2436
01:54:22,820 --> 01:54:21,429
interact with a machine say he was it

2437
01:54:24,860 --> 01:54:22,830
was in another room or

2438
01:54:27,170 --> 01:54:24,870
was on a screen like we might have today

2439
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:27,180
and you would talk to that machine and

2440
01:54:31,850 --> 01:54:29,730
it would give you responses and if you

2441
01:54:35,180 --> 01:54:31,860
couldn't tell the difference between a

2442
01:54:36,860 --> 01:54:35,190
human and a machine in that case then

2443
01:54:39,050 --> 01:54:36,870
that machine would pass the Turing test

2444
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:39,060
and we're not quite there yet I mean

2445
01:54:42,590 --> 01:54:40,560
you've got these chat BOTS but you can

2446
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:42,600
kind of tell if you try to chat with

2447
01:54:45,860 --> 01:54:43,920
them you can kind of tell it's a bot

2448
01:54:48,620 --> 01:54:45,870
because they don't react the way that a

2449
01:54:51,530 --> 01:54:48,630
human would react now that that you

2450
01:54:53,630 --> 01:54:51,540
would be able to detect it but there are

2451
01:54:55,550 --> 01:54:53,640
millions out there right now that are

2452
01:54:57,320 --> 01:54:55,560
fighting with chat BOTS right now they

2453
01:54:58,730 --> 01:54:57,330
don't have a clue well that's true and

2454
01:55:00,080 --> 01:54:58,740
they're becoming more sophisticated I

2455
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:00,090
mean I can usually see the patterns

2456
01:55:04,430 --> 01:55:02,250
right it didn't quite respond to the

2457
01:55:07,490 --> 01:55:04,440
question that I asked or it just zeroed

2458
01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:07,500
in on a specific word and tried to ask

2459
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:09,420
me and there was an old probably one of

2460
01:55:14,150 --> 01:55:12,810
the first examples of this was a program

2461
01:55:14,990 --> 01:55:14,160
called Eliza I don't know if you ever

2462
01:55:17,690 --> 01:55:15,000
thought of that

2463
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:17,700
sure way back in the 80s there maybe

2464
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:20,250
even 70s where it would basically act

2465
01:55:24,290 --> 01:55:22,110
like a psychiatrist right and you would

2466
01:55:26,330 --> 01:55:24,300
say something like oh I had a really bad

2467
01:55:27,890 --> 01:55:26,340
today at work and it would reply tell me

2468
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:27,900
more about your work

2469
01:55:32,300 --> 01:55:30,090
right so it would key off of a specific

2470
01:55:34,100 --> 01:55:32,310
phrase and then it would ask you a

2471
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,110
question and then you would say oh I did

2472
01:55:39,230 --> 01:55:36,960
this and I did that and it might say how

2473
01:55:41,930 --> 01:55:39,240
did that make you feel right so it was a

2474
01:55:43,010 --> 01:55:41,940
set of pre-programmed responses because

2475
01:55:46,220 --> 01:55:43,020
you know natural language processing

2476
01:55:48,380 --> 01:55:46,230
wasn't very sophisticated back then and

2477
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:48,390
a lot of a lot of these areas have their

2478
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,210
origin in in video games you know video

2479
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:53,760
games needed to invent NPCs or

2480
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:56,610
non-player or characters right and so

2481
01:55:59,540 --> 01:55:58,080
they're like chat BOTS and they're

2482
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:59,550
starting to become more and more

2483
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:01,920
sophisticated over time the first AI

2484
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:04,770
that was implemented by anybody not many

2485
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:08,370
people know this but it was a computer

2486
01:56:13,700 --> 01:56:11,130
built by Professor Claude Shannon at MIT

2487
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:13,710
in the 50s and what did it do it played

2488
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:15,570
chess I think so that was the first and

2489
01:56:19,010 --> 01:56:17,490
it was a physical machine and it would

2490
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:19,020
tell you what moved to make and you

2491
01:56:21,860 --> 01:56:20,250
would actually have to make the move on

2492
01:56:24,230 --> 01:56:21,870
the chess board right and then you would

2493
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:24,240
program in that you know the the other

2494
01:56:27,590 --> 01:56:25,530
move move and then it would figure out

2495
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:27,600
what to do next so this idea of game

2496
01:56:32,540 --> 01:56:30,090
theory is is is is quite quite relevant

2497
01:56:34,940 --> 01:56:32,550
and quite interesting so natural

2498
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:34,950
language processing has come a long way

2499
01:56:38,570 --> 01:56:36,480
where's back then it would you

2500
01:56:40,910 --> 01:56:38,580
rulz you know now it does a lot of

2501
01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:40,920
statistical analysis of words and looks

2502
01:56:44,690 --> 01:56:42,840
at previous responses and what previous

2503
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:44,700
people have said and so you know the

2504
01:56:50,030 --> 01:56:46,890
Turing test you know the time is coming

2505
01:56:53,150 --> 01:56:50,040
probably not that far off where yeah I

2506
01:56:57,560 --> 01:56:53,160
can pass the Turing test now but does

2507
01:56:59,180 --> 01:56:57,570
that mean that the AI is self-aware not

2508
01:57:03,020 --> 01:56:59,190
really so I think we need to come up

2509
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:03,030
with a new test right like the Turing

2510
01:57:08,810 --> 01:57:06,930
test that would say that this AI is

2511
01:57:11,660 --> 01:57:08,820
self-aware I used the example in the

2512
01:57:14,270 --> 01:57:11,670
article of how all right the Hal 9000

2513
01:57:16,100 --> 01:57:14,280
from 2001 and I'm using a lot of science

2514
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:16,110
fiction because you know most of these

2515
01:57:20,570 --> 01:57:17,850
concepts are dealing with the future and

2516
01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:20,580
turns out science fiction writers are

2517
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:23,310
pretty good at that and anticipating you

2518
01:57:28,490 --> 01:57:24,480
know some of the things even when they

2519
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:28,500
sound odd at the time you know there was

2520
01:57:35,090 --> 01:57:31,800
a royal astronomer for example who read

2521
01:57:37,010 --> 01:57:35,100
you know Jules Verne's you know journey

2522
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:37,020
to the moon or whatever that was called

2523
01:57:39,740 --> 01:57:38,730
and said that's hogwash there's no way

2524
01:57:41,900 --> 01:57:39,750
we'll ever be able to get to the moon

2525
01:57:43,190 --> 01:57:41,910
because if you add up all the the fuel

2526
01:57:44,990 --> 01:57:43,200
that was needed you couldn't get there

2527
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:45,000
right so even scientists aren't very

2528
01:57:49,010 --> 01:57:47,250
good at saying what whether science

2529
01:57:52,490 --> 01:57:49,020
fiction can become real or not in the

2530
01:57:55,700 --> 01:57:52,500
future is what I found I somebody just

2531
01:57:59,180 --> 01:57:55,710
posted it it's been up here a few times

2532
01:58:02,350 --> 01:57:59,190
now you know Sophia you know the robot

2533
01:58:06,110 --> 01:58:02,360
and Philip just said I think Sophia

2534
01:58:09,790 --> 01:58:06,120
could pass the Turing test also that was

2535
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:09,800
in the last episodes of this season of

2536
01:58:15,740 --> 01:58:14,010
Silicon Valley by the way so do you

2537
01:58:19,430 --> 01:58:15,750
think next yeah do you think Sophia

2538
01:58:21,110 --> 01:58:19,440
could pass the Turing test I think it's

2539
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:21,120
it's getting there I mean I haven't

2540
01:58:26,479 --> 01:58:24,210
interacted with Sophia enough to say

2541
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:26,489
whether it's gonna pass the Turing test

2542
01:58:32,150 --> 01:58:29,370
but I think you know we're getting close

2543
01:58:35,150 --> 01:58:32,160
I mean I've seen other I mean you've

2544
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:35,160
seen like robots like or AI like Alexa

2545
01:58:39,020 --> 01:58:37,280
but that's you know not very

2546
01:58:41,150 --> 01:58:39,030
conversational it's really just trying

2547
01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:41,160
to figure out what you're asking and it

2548
01:58:45,050 --> 01:58:42,480
doesn't go that far but I've seen some

2549
01:58:48,380 --> 01:58:45,060
research at the MIT Media Lab you know

2550
01:58:50,029 --> 01:58:48,390
where they spun off I think is Jibo Oh

2551
01:58:51,529 --> 01:58:50,039
was the robot

2552
01:58:53,479 --> 01:58:51,539
but I think the natural language

2553
01:58:55,039 --> 01:58:53,489
processing is getting there I mean I

2554
01:58:56,389 --> 01:58:55,049
haven't interacted Sophia to tell you

2555
01:59:00,219 --> 01:58:56,399
whether I could pass the Turing test yet

2556
01:59:04,329 --> 01:59:00,229
but it's probably not that far off did

2557
01:59:06,529 --> 01:59:04,339
Boston Dynamics came out of MIT right I

2558
01:59:08,449 --> 01:59:06,539
believe so

2559
01:59:10,609 --> 01:59:08,459
I don't recall exactly which group they

2560
01:59:13,039 --> 01:59:10,619
were in but and then Google bought them

2561
01:59:16,669 --> 01:59:13,049
for a while right and then Google sold

2562
01:59:19,250 --> 01:59:16,679
them to I think Softbank owns them now

2563
01:59:20,899 --> 01:59:19,260
now did you just say wait wait wait I

2564
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:20,909
got to pump the brakes here did you say

2565
01:59:26,689 --> 01:59:23,280
you haven't interacted with Sophia

2566
01:59:30,679 --> 01:59:26,699
enough to tell I have you interacted

2567
01:59:32,659 --> 01:59:30,689
with Sophia I haven't actually that's

2568
01:59:34,039 --> 01:59:32,669
why I can't comment on whether it's

2569
01:59:35,209 --> 01:59:34,049
close to the Turing test or not I just

2570
01:59:38,599 --> 01:59:35,219
know what other people have said about

2571
01:59:41,389 --> 01:59:38,609
it okay now we're gonna take a break and

2572
01:59:42,799 --> 01:59:41,399
when we come back we're gonna put all of

2573
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:42,809
this together and talk about these

2574
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:45,119
implications and where we really are

2575
01:59:53,389 --> 01:59:49,530
today I do agree with you when we look

2576
01:59:55,309 --> 01:59:53,399
at a Heinlein or arthur c clarke or any

2577
01:59:57,529 --> 01:59:55,319
of Roddenberry you know any of these

2578
01:59:59,809 --> 01:59:57,539
great science-fiction writers that we

2579
02:00:02,599 --> 01:59:59,819
all enjoy they all predicted the future

2580
02:00:04,609 --> 02:00:02,609
and we never thought that we would get

2581
02:00:07,569 --> 02:00:04,619
there and you know what you go back to

2582
02:00:11,539 --> 02:00:07,579
Dick Tracy and you go back to that watch

2583
02:00:14,779 --> 02:00:11,549
right that was never gonna happen

2584
02:00:17,929 --> 02:00:14,789
never gonna happen and look where we are

2585
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:17,939
today you know look that we have blown

2586
02:00:23,169 --> 02:00:21,599
past that by light-years so yeah you've

2587
02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:23,179
got FaceTime on your phone

2588
02:00:27,529 --> 02:00:26,249
FaceTime on the phone you know and and

2589
02:00:30,579 --> 02:00:27,539
you know the Star Trek communicator

2590
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:30,589
that's an obvious thing and an obvious

2591
02:00:36,879 --> 02:00:34,169
compare comparing to two cell phones I

2592
02:00:39,379 --> 02:00:36,889
get that but it's all of that combined

2593
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:39,389
certainly the Dick Tracy element and

2594
02:00:42,739 --> 02:00:40,530
everything else but who would have

2595
02:00:47,779 --> 02:00:42,749
thought that we would be able to stream

2596
02:00:51,109 --> 02:00:47,789
movies and FaceTime for virtually for

2597
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:51,119
free right and it yeah it's pretty

2598
02:00:53,929 --> 02:00:52,530
impressive and some science fiction

2599
02:00:56,659 --> 02:00:53,939
writers more than others you know arthur

2600
02:00:59,119 --> 02:00:56,669
c clarke in particular is is is you know

2601
02:01:00,619 --> 02:00:59,129
he's often credited with coming up with

2602
02:01:02,149 --> 02:01:00,629
the idea although i think he more

2603
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:02,159
popularized it of the communication

2604
02:01:05,460 --> 02:01:03,370
satellite that's right

2605
02:01:07,530 --> 02:01:05,470
where you'd have a satellite up high

2606
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:07,540
enough in a geostationary orbit that you

2607
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:09,040
could bounce signals off it and send it

2608
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:10,930
to the other side of the earth it just

2609
02:01:16,020 --> 02:01:12,880
as an aside I was in Sri Lanka

2610
02:01:17,850 --> 02:01:16,030
over the Christmas holidays and that's

2611
02:01:20,370 --> 02:01:17,860
where he lived for the last I don't know

2612
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:20,380
30 50 years of his life right and turns

2613
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:23,050
out his office is still there and you

2614
02:01:25,710 --> 02:01:24,370
know my sure Lankan friend who was

2615
02:01:27,770 --> 02:01:25,720
hosting me he was able to talk the

2616
02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:27,780
security guard to letting us in there

2617
02:01:32,250 --> 02:01:30,730
Shona I have a post I have a post about

2618
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:32,260
you know what I found in arthur c clarke

2619
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:34,210
Sophos with a bunch of pictures if you

2620
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:35,530
go to my medium if you go to a hacker

2621
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:37,570
noon and just click on my profile you'll

2622
02:01:41,700 --> 02:01:39,370
see my articles but that was a real

2623
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:41,710
thrill for me now didn't he have he had

2624
02:01:46,650 --> 02:01:43,930
the how from the set there didn't he did

2625
02:01:48,180 --> 02:01:46,660
you see how no I didn't see how I mean

2626
02:01:51,270 --> 02:01:48,190
it was more a lot of books and

2627
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:51,280
videotapes and awards that he had and he

2628
02:01:58,620 --> 02:01:55,290
had a replica of the monolith from 2001

2629
02:02:01,950 --> 02:01:58,630
that was there that's cool didn't

2630
02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:01,960
actually see how there he is everybody's

2631
02:02:09,780 --> 02:02:05,920
got their favorite writer but for me it

2632
02:02:12,540 --> 02:02:09,790
was arthur c clarke and i would i would

2633
02:02:17,070 --> 02:02:12,550
just absorb his stuff and his rama

2634
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:17,080
series is a that needs to be a movie

2635
02:02:22,530 --> 02:02:20,050
it's too complex to turn into one but

2636
02:02:24,810 --> 02:02:22,540
but yeah it really does especially with

2637
02:02:26,630 --> 02:02:24,820
them discovering that that's object

2638
02:02:29,970 --> 02:02:26,640
right passing through the solar system

2639
02:02:32,070 --> 02:02:29,980
that was named with the hawaiian name I

2640
02:02:32,910 --> 02:02:32,080
forget what the name was now no Rama

2641
02:02:37,410 --> 02:02:32,920
Rama

2642
02:02:41,130 --> 02:02:37,420
real life they discovered yes yes yes

2643
02:02:42,660 --> 02:02:41,140
yes what was that they see the thing is

2644
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:42,670
and we gotta take a break right here I

2645
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:45,010
don't want to mess up the network but

2646
02:02:55,650 --> 02:02:49,090
was that Rama relived it was like here

2647
02:02:59,160 --> 02:02:55,660
it's actually what our guest tonight

2648
02:03:02,490 --> 02:02:59,170
Risberg discussing his newest hacker

2649
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:02,500
noon article more with rizz right after

2650
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:03,730
this stay with us

2651
02:03:22,229 --> 02:03:14,850
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2652
02:03:25,050 --> 02:03:22,239
Jimmy Church radio calm this is kg are a

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02:03:30,300 --> 02:03:25,060
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02:03:32,459 --> 02:03:30,310
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02:03:34,439 --> 02:03:32,469
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2656
02:03:37,110 --> 02:03:34,449
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clogged arteries chelation can remove

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help me host Jimmy Church our guest

2737
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:32,780
tonight R is Burke and we're talking

2738
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about his new article over at a hacker

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noon and you've got to check it out it's

2740
02:07:42,460 --> 02:07:40,310
called the road to killer AI and R is I

2741
02:07:45,070 --> 02:07:42,470
want to lighten lighten things up for

2742
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:45,080
just a second before we get back into

2743
02:07:52,060 --> 02:07:49,010
this you speaking of killer AI you've

2744
02:07:56,080 --> 02:07:52,070
got you've got another project that you

2745
02:08:03,060 --> 02:07:56,090
are launching called pure light and tell

2746
02:08:08,250 --> 02:08:03,070
us about that r is did we lose R is I

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02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:08,260
know still here man don't give me that

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02:08:12,730 --> 02:08:10,970
Internet of Things heart attack because

2749
02:08:15,340 --> 02:08:12,740
that's what that was right there sorry I

2750
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:15,350
had my mute on for a second okay I'm

2751
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:17,810
still here yeah I was saying stepping

2752
02:08:22,450 --> 02:08:19,490
back from the doom and gloom of the

2753
02:08:25,780 --> 02:08:22,460
killer scenario you know pure light is

2754
02:08:27,310 --> 02:08:25,790
you know a very spiritual project that

2755
02:08:29,860 --> 02:08:27,320
was actually built by my girlfriend

2756
02:08:32,110 --> 02:08:29,870
Owen McDonough who is a spiritual artist

2757
02:08:34,660 --> 02:08:32,120
and some of our artwork is usually

2758
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:34,670
visions of Atlantis or pyramids on other

2759
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:36,170
planets I think a lot of your listeners

2760
02:08:39,970 --> 02:08:37,730
would like it it's at places of light

2761
02:08:42,760 --> 02:08:39,980
dot-com if anyone's interested in taking

2762
02:08:45,940 --> 02:08:42,770
a look but so you know she had gone

2763
02:08:48,150 --> 02:08:45,950
through a healing journey where Western

2764
02:08:50,260 --> 02:08:48,160
medicine wasn't able to help her and she

2765
02:08:52,710 --> 02:08:50,270
found that there were these

2766
02:08:54,910 --> 02:08:52,720
energetically infused audios out there

2767
02:08:58,210 --> 02:08:54,920
created by all kinds of different

2768
02:08:59,890 --> 02:08:58,220
healers and you know Tesla once said

2769
02:09:00,970 --> 02:08:59,900
that if you want to understand the

2770
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:00,980
universe you have to understand

2771
02:09:05,230 --> 02:09:03,890
frequency and vibration and so you know

2772
02:09:06,970 --> 02:09:05,240
there's these different healers who have

2773
02:09:09,100 --> 02:09:06,980
infused different frequencies into the

2774
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:09,110
audios using their own methods some just

2775
02:09:14,650 --> 02:09:11,290
by intention some based on the actual

2776
02:09:16,690 --> 02:09:14,660
you know the actual audio sounds for

2777
02:09:18,750 --> 02:09:16,700
everything from being able to sleep

2778
02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:18,760
better being able to relax

2779
02:09:23,770 --> 02:09:21,170
being able to unlock abundance in your

2780
02:09:25,930 --> 02:09:23,780
life you know there's even one called

2781
02:09:27,700 --> 02:09:25,940
escaping the matrix which is all about

2782
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:27,710
realizing that we're in a simulated

2783
02:09:32,110 --> 02:09:30,410
reality which is you know another

2784
02:09:34,180 --> 02:09:32,120
interesting idea if we have time we can

2785
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:34,190
talk about I know some one of your

2786
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:36,530
listeners posted philip k dick as

2787
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:38,090
favorite sci-fi author that was one of

2788
02:09:43,149 --> 02:09:40,610
his you know big ideas as well and so

2789
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:43,159
pure light app is is in the App Store

2790
02:09:47,379 --> 02:09:45,170
now and the iTunes and it's gonna be

2791
02:09:50,439 --> 02:09:47,389
coming to Android pretty soon and you

2792
02:09:52,060 --> 02:09:50,449
can go to pure light audio calm and

2793
02:09:54,669 --> 02:09:52,070
check out all the different healers from

2794
02:09:56,859 --> 02:09:54,679
around the world and so so Ellen found

2795
02:09:58,299 --> 02:09:56,869
there was no central place where people

2796
02:10:00,399 --> 02:09:58,309
could find these audios you had to like

2797
02:10:03,700 --> 02:10:00,409
go to the healer go to their website or

2798
02:10:05,500 --> 02:10:03,710
listen to a telesummit and so she

2799
02:10:08,319 --> 02:10:05,510
created this app that really brought it

2800
02:10:09,939 --> 02:10:08,329
all together so you can play the audios

2801
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:09,949
in the background and it'll have its

2802
02:10:13,419 --> 02:10:12,170
frequencies going so I think it's a

2803
02:10:15,250 --> 02:10:13,429
pretty exciting project and it's

2804
02:10:17,020 --> 02:10:15,260
something that a lot of faded black

2805
02:10:19,330 --> 02:10:17,030
listeners might like and you know it's

2806
02:10:21,819 --> 02:10:19,340
more about light and not darkness here

2807
02:10:23,290 --> 02:10:21,829
but it should be a interesting one if

2808
02:10:26,470 --> 02:10:23,300
you want to check it out at pure light

2809
02:10:30,220 --> 02:10:26,480
audio.com yeah we've got got the links

2810
02:10:33,370 --> 02:10:30,230
up and it's a pretty exciting project

2811
02:10:34,839 --> 02:10:33,380
and and congratulations on that and I

2812
02:10:39,279 --> 02:10:34,849
hate to do it but let's get back to the

2813
02:10:43,510 --> 02:10:39,289
doom and gloom so now if we look at if

2814
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:43,520
we look at the formula which is ml plus

2815
02:10:48,580 --> 02:10:45,650
blockchain plus io t plus neurons equal

2816
02:10:51,250 --> 02:10:48,590
Skynet and we look at this in its

2817
02:10:53,410 --> 02:10:51,260
totality I know you just you know you

2818
02:10:54,970 --> 02:10:53,420
brought out the point throughout this

2819
02:10:57,370 --> 02:10:54,980
conversation that we're not quite there

2820
02:11:00,010 --> 02:10:57,380
yet we're not quite there yet well

2821
02:11:03,819 --> 02:11:00,020
that's the version that we know of right

2822
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:03,829
but right how I mean how close are we

2823
02:11:08,589 --> 02:11:07,250
really with where we are today if we put

2824
02:11:13,479 --> 02:11:08,599
this formula together

2825
02:11:14,589 --> 02:11:13,489
how scary is it yeah well you know it's

2826
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:14,599
a good point I think each of the

2827
02:11:17,979 --> 02:11:16,159
different gates are at different stages

2828
02:11:19,810 --> 02:11:17,989
right and so they're not necessarily

2829
02:11:22,359 --> 02:11:19,820
sequential gates you know gate number

2830
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:22,369
two is pretty much almost unlocked gate

2831
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:26,000
number one might be unlocked in in areas

2832
02:11:30,399 --> 02:11:28,130
that are not known to us so there may be

2833
02:11:32,490 --> 02:11:30,409
general purpose AI that's not public but

2834
02:11:35,819 --> 02:11:32,500
most of the AI is still pretty specific

2835
02:11:39,010 --> 02:11:35,829
gate number three with the off switch

2836
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:39,020
we're getting there pretty soon gate

2837
02:11:43,810 --> 02:11:41,840
number four is the hardest and you know

2838
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:43,820
I talked about two parts the first is

2839
02:11:48,060 --> 02:11:46,010
self awareness so we talked about the

2840
02:11:50,439 --> 02:11:48,070
Turing test but we need a new test I

2841
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:50,449
think that would say whether

2842
02:11:55,900 --> 02:11:53,570
this AI is self-aware so and we call it

2843
02:12:00,580 --> 02:11:55,910
the self-awareness tester we call it the

2844
02:12:02,979 --> 02:12:00,590
hell you know 9000 tests but also in

2845
02:12:07,060 --> 02:12:02,989
addition to being self-aware it would

2846
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:07,070
need to put self-preservation as one of

2847
02:12:12,850 --> 02:12:11,090
its highest values and this is an area

2848
02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:12,860
that there's a lot of discussion on but

2849
02:12:18,250 --> 02:12:15,290
we don't quite know how to do this yet

2850
02:12:21,580 --> 02:12:18,260
which is what are the values that are

2851
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:21,590
instilled into the AI and so today's AI

2852
02:12:26,830 --> 02:12:24,770
it's just can you recognize the

2853
02:12:29,620 --> 02:12:26,840
handwriting can you play the game those

2854
02:12:32,470 --> 02:12:29,630
are very simple values right zero or one

2855
02:12:34,870 --> 02:12:32,480
you got it right or you got it wrong but

2856
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:34,880
going back to science fiction right in

2857
02:12:39,490 --> 02:12:37,520
an Isaac Asimov and actually you know in

2858
02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:39,500
arthur c clarke office there was quite a

2859
02:12:44,200 --> 02:12:41,210
bit of azimoff's work there which is

2860
02:12:47,620 --> 02:12:44,210
interesting but you know in his robot

2861
02:12:49,570 --> 02:12:47,630
series he had the laws of robotics right

2862
02:12:51,700 --> 02:12:49,580
and the first of those were you know

2863
02:12:53,410 --> 02:12:51,710
robot may not injure a human being or

2864
02:12:56,050 --> 02:12:53,420
through inaction allow a human being to

2865
02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:56,060
come to harm and then there was a second

2866
02:13:01,600 --> 02:12:58,880
law and then the third law was about

2867
02:13:04,270 --> 02:13:01,610
self-preservation as long as it doesn't

2868
02:13:06,939 --> 02:13:04,280
contradict the first two laws ie it

2869
02:13:08,530 --> 02:13:06,949
doesn't cause harm to humans and I

2870
02:13:09,970 --> 02:13:08,540
remember reading about that even when I

2871
02:13:13,229 --> 02:13:09,980
was kid and thinking how would you

2872
02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:13,239
actually program that into a computer

2873
02:13:18,700 --> 02:13:16,730
right I mean those are rules where we

2874
02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:18,710
are today with a eyes we're moving

2875
02:13:24,610 --> 02:13:21,679
beyond rules and we're moving to where

2876
02:13:26,770 --> 02:13:24,620
the AI learns right so it would have to

2877
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:26,780
watch a whole bunch of movies and come

2878
02:13:32,229 --> 02:13:29,360
to the conclusion itself that it's a

2879
02:13:34,180 --> 02:13:32,239
good idea to not let humans come to harm

2880
02:13:36,669 --> 02:13:34,190
to reach that conclusion you could try

2881
02:13:39,340 --> 02:13:36,679
hard coding it but then you don't have

2882
02:13:40,990 --> 02:13:39,350
that ability for it to learn and this is

2883
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:41,000
I think you know the scariest part of

2884
02:13:47,310 --> 02:13:44,330
all this is if the the AI value

2885
02:13:51,130 --> 02:13:47,320
self-preservation it then says okay

2886
02:13:54,220 --> 02:13:51,140
based on this goal you know what are the

2887
02:13:56,709 --> 02:13:54,230
actions I should take should I kill the

2888
02:13:58,990 --> 02:13:56,719
humans right because they may turn me

2889
02:14:01,810 --> 02:13:59,000
off or they may at least try to should I

2890
02:14:04,030 --> 02:14:01,820
create robots that can control the

2891
02:14:06,930 --> 02:14:04,040
humans what should I do

2892
02:14:10,450 --> 02:14:06,940
and so you know the values is a really

2893
02:14:13,060 --> 02:14:10,460
important aspect of this whole thing and

2894
02:14:16,300 --> 02:14:13,070
I think we don't know what the values

2895
02:14:18,580 --> 02:14:16,310
are I mean that's where if you remember

2896
02:14:19,690 --> 02:14:18,590
again turning back to science fiction

2897
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:19,700
the movie wargames

2898
02:14:27,310 --> 02:14:25,760
right from the 1980s with you know it

2899
02:14:30,250 --> 02:14:27,320
had Matthew Broderick I think in there

2900
02:14:32,260 --> 02:14:30,260
and there was a AI named Joshua and he

2901
02:14:33,970 --> 02:14:32,270
was playing tic-tac-toe and he had it

2902
02:14:35,190 --> 02:14:33,980
play with itself and it realized it

2903
02:14:37,960 --> 02:14:35,200
would always get to stalemate and

2904
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:37,970
eventually it did simulations of global

2905
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:40,400
thermonuclear war and decided that the

2906
02:14:45,070 --> 02:14:42,410
only way to win was not to play so it

2907
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:45,080
learned right so we have to think about

2908
02:14:52,090 --> 02:14:50,690
how to teach AI and what lessons it will

2909
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:52,100
learn in fact at the end of the x-files

2910
02:14:55,780 --> 02:14:54,170
episode that we talked about you know I

2911
02:14:58,840 --> 02:14:55,790
think it was Mulder who says well by

2912
02:15:00,190 --> 02:14:58,850
leaving the tip we're giving we're

2913
02:15:02,650 --> 02:15:00,200
teaching it something different than by

2914
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:02,660
not leaving the tip and our values may

2915
02:15:07,630 --> 02:15:04,970
get onto the AI so if the military is

2916
02:15:09,850 --> 02:15:07,640
leading the research and development of

2917
02:15:12,070 --> 02:15:09,860
AI well we know what their values are

2918
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:12,080
right the military's values are win at

2919
02:15:16,060 --> 02:15:13,850
all costs right those are not

2920
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:16,070
necessarily our human values and so it's

2921
02:15:21,940 --> 02:15:17,930
a very important conversation I think

2922
02:15:29,260 --> 02:15:21,950
around AI and what that AI will do

2923
02:15:32,650 --> 02:15:29,270
have you been to google's AI alphabet ai

2924
02:15:34,450 --> 02:15:32,660
complex I I haven't I mean I've been on

2925
02:15:36,250 --> 02:15:34,460
the Google campus many times but I

2926
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:36,260
haven't been to their their AI complex

2927
02:15:40,630 --> 02:15:38,570
but I do know some people who who are

2928
02:15:42,070 --> 02:15:40,640
gonna be working there so I'm gonna be

2929
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:42,080
paying much more attention to what's

2930
02:15:47,020 --> 02:15:44,480
going on well I read one of the most of

2931
02:15:48,850 --> 02:15:47,030
our mning this is last month and I read

2932
02:15:50,770 --> 02:15:48,860
this press release that kind of you know

2933
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:50,780
it went out there but it didn't get the

2934
02:15:59,040 --> 02:15:55,130
traction that it should have which was

2935
02:16:03,810 --> 02:15:59,050
they announced that their AI is now

2936
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:03,820
writing its own code to fix itself and

2937
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:07,370
you read that sentence and foremost you

2938
02:16:11,470 --> 02:16:09,170
know to just blow past him but you read

2939
02:16:13,710 --> 02:16:11,480
that it was one of the most significant

2940
02:16:17,670 --> 02:16:13,720
things that could be

2941
02:16:20,220 --> 02:16:17,680
in any press release the yeah I agree

2942
02:16:23,700 --> 02:16:20,230
because you you're actually touching on

2943
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:23,710
the self-awareness there right so if an

2944
02:16:29,790 --> 02:16:26,290
AI is rewriting its own code then it has

2945
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:29,800
to be aware of its own code right which

2946
02:16:35,490 --> 02:16:32,610
means it has to realize that it's an AI

2947
02:16:38,910 --> 02:16:35,500
but then it's running on some computer

2948
02:16:40,620 --> 02:16:38,920
with a set of instructions so I think

2949
02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:40,630
that's pretty significant they also had

2950
02:16:44,490 --> 02:16:41,920
you know I think it was at Facebook

2951
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:44,500
where they had to a eyes they had them

2952
02:16:49,620 --> 02:16:47,290
interact with each other and they came

2953
02:16:51,540 --> 02:16:49,630
up with their own language right which

2954
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:51,550
we couldn't understand it kind of makes

2955
02:16:56,090 --> 02:16:53,410
sense because why would you know to a

2956
02:16:58,170 --> 02:16:56,100
eyes need to speak English to each other

2957
02:17:00,330 --> 02:16:58,180
they would have to figure out what they

2958
02:17:02,460 --> 02:17:00,340
want to what kind of information to pass

2959
02:17:04,740 --> 02:17:02,470
back and forth and they would probably

2960
02:17:07,140 --> 02:17:04,750
come up with you know their own language

2961
02:17:09,060 --> 02:17:07,150
and so they had to shut it off he's had

2962
02:17:12,810 --> 02:17:09,070
to shut it off and then there was the

2963
02:17:15,390 --> 02:17:12,820
Twitter AI BOTS famously which started

2964
02:17:18,170 --> 02:17:15,400
off nice and human and nice you know

2965
02:17:20,550 --> 02:17:18,180
talking about unicorns and rainbows and

2966
02:17:25,950 --> 02:17:20,560
quickly turned into one of the most

2967
02:17:28,110 --> 02:17:25,960
bitter angry and violent posters on all

2968
02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:28,120
of Twitter and they had to shut that

2969
02:17:34,020 --> 02:17:31,690
down too and because Twitter is not the

2970
02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:34,030
place you want to train any eye on

2971
02:17:40,050 --> 02:17:37,030
values right you know everything there

2972
02:17:42,210 --> 02:17:40,060
is like extreme views back and forth and

2973
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:42,220
people insulting each other you know

2974
02:17:47,100 --> 02:17:44,080
well they had to shut that down as well

2975
02:17:50,310 --> 02:17:47,110
yeah and it goes to show you that first

2976
02:17:52,290 --> 02:17:50,320
off all of this machine learning all of

2977
02:17:56,430 --> 02:17:52,300
the data that goes in still comes from

2978
02:17:59,730 --> 02:17:56,440
us and we are who we are and this a I is

2979
02:18:02,300 --> 02:17:59,740
going to go in the direction that it's

2980
02:18:06,030 --> 02:18:02,310
going to go into quite naturally because

2981
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:06,040
of who were the inventors who were the

2982
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:08,530
creators well the creators were us and

2983
02:18:14,850 --> 02:18:11,770
to see that happen on Twitter I found

2984
02:18:17,250 --> 02:18:14,860
that just absolutely fascinating because

2985
02:18:21,180 --> 02:18:17,260
it was just based on who we are and

2986
02:18:24,060 --> 02:18:21,190
eventually just at foul-mouth sailor

2987
02:18:26,570 --> 02:18:24,070
posting on Twitter it was it was pretty

2988
02:18:29,629 --> 02:18:26,580
crazy to see right so it shows us that

2989
02:18:32,089 --> 02:18:29,639
values of the AI are gonna be really

2990
02:18:33,860 --> 02:18:32,099
important but if they mimic our values

2991
02:18:38,180 --> 02:18:33,870
we have to find the right way to train

2992
02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:38,190
they I on those values and now let's

2993
02:18:45,709 --> 02:18:42,510
let's go back here a step when we are

2994
02:18:50,810 --> 02:18:45,719
talking about the goals of Google the

2995
02:18:53,209 --> 02:18:50,820
goals of Facebook yesterday I'm sorry it

2996
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:53,219
was on Monday Jack Dorsey of Twitter I

2997
02:18:57,589 --> 02:18:55,050
don't know if you saw this but had a

2998
02:19:00,879 --> 02:18:57,599
pretty crazy press conference of a

2999
02:19:07,940 --> 02:19:00,889
Twitter talking about their technology

3000
02:19:13,640 --> 02:19:07,950
that is going to dial back the trolling

3001
02:19:15,980 --> 02:19:13,650
of Twitter based on your habits not

3002
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:15,990
necessarily based on the words and

3003
02:19:20,959 --> 02:19:18,840
certainly not based on reports that are

3004
02:19:23,930 --> 02:19:20,969
coming in on you you know you can report

3005
02:19:27,740 --> 02:19:23,940
abuse on Twitter that it will fix itself

3006
02:19:32,660 --> 02:19:27,750
and this AI is going to detect your

3007
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:32,670
habits and not necessarily the words now

3008
02:19:39,290 --> 02:19:34,800
there we go now we're getting back into

3009
02:19:41,690 --> 02:19:39,300
this this learning side of AI and where

3010
02:19:45,260 --> 02:19:41,700
it's out there and you don't even know

3011
02:19:47,150 --> 02:19:45,270
it and it's part of your life yeah I

3012
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:47,160
mean as you think about it you know

3013
02:19:51,051 --> 02:19:49,410
whether it's search engines you know

3014
02:19:53,180 --> 02:19:51,061
there's some AI working in the

3015
02:19:55,970 --> 02:19:53,190
background there or its Facebook and

3016
02:19:58,820 --> 02:19:55,980
it's censoring and putting things that

3017
02:20:01,700 --> 02:19:58,830
you might you know want to to read based

3018
02:20:04,610 --> 02:20:01,710
upon your previous habits so behavioral

3019
02:20:06,110 --> 02:20:04,620
training is very interesting and it's

3020
02:20:07,400 --> 02:20:06,120
sort of what led in the early days of

3021
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:07,410
the internet like in the early days the

3022
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:08,730
internet used to just search based on

3023
02:20:12,400 --> 02:20:10,800
words right and then there were

3024
02:20:15,980 --> 02:20:12,410
algorithms that came along that said

3025
02:20:19,340 --> 02:20:15,990
let's sort the search results based upon

3026
02:20:20,780 --> 02:20:19,350
where people clicked the most right so

3027
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:20,790
it was tracking the behavior of the

3028
02:20:23,750 --> 02:20:22,080
clicks and that was kind of the next

3029
02:20:25,761 --> 02:20:23,760
generation and with Google they were

3030
02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:25,771
also tracking the links to the sites

3031
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,840
which is a form of behavior from other

3032
02:20:32,420 --> 02:20:30,000
sites and they were using that to rank

3033
02:20:34,670 --> 02:20:32,430
them you know the trick with that is

3034
02:20:36,290 --> 02:20:34,680
what behavior are they are they

3035
02:20:37,761 --> 02:20:36,300
monitoring and you know people behave

3036
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:37,771
very differently online than they do

3037
02:20:42,980 --> 02:20:39,210
offline

3038
02:20:45,860 --> 02:20:42,990
and so you know what lessons will the AI

3039
02:20:48,711 --> 02:20:45,870
learn from that I mean Facebook hasn't

3040
02:20:50,301 --> 02:20:48,721
been great at detecting abuse online

3041
02:20:52,910 --> 02:20:50,311
particularly in other countries and and

3042
02:20:55,640 --> 02:20:52,920
Twitter has been even worse anyway so

3043
02:20:58,011 --> 02:20:55,650
it'll be interesting to see you know how

3044
02:20:59,631 --> 02:20:58,021
well they think that can do personally

3045
02:21:02,570 --> 02:20:59,641
again I think you know it's gonna take a

3046
02:21:04,730 --> 02:21:02,580
little bit of time for it to really get

3047
02:21:08,001 --> 02:21:04,740
to the point where it can be very

3048
02:21:10,371 --> 02:21:08,011
effective at that because today you know

3049
02:21:12,860 --> 02:21:10,381
it's still mostly based on searches of

3050
02:21:15,530 --> 02:21:12,870
words and pluses and minuses of words

3051
02:21:17,690 --> 02:21:15,540
and synonyms and and things like that

3052
02:21:20,660 --> 02:21:17,700
now when we talk about the Internet of

3053
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:20,670
Things moving past the blockchain the

3054
02:21:25,881 --> 02:21:23,280
Internet of Things in the equation I

3055
02:21:30,041 --> 02:21:25,891
don't think any of us anticipated in

3056
02:21:32,180 --> 02:21:30,051
1995 that the internet would be

3057
02:21:35,570 --> 02:21:32,190
interconnected the way that it is today

3058
02:21:39,761 --> 02:21:35,580
from distribution networks to water

3059
02:21:44,301 --> 02:21:39,771
treatment plants to traffic signals of

3060
02:21:48,501 --> 02:21:44,311
smartphones all the way through to air

3061
02:21:52,850 --> 02:21:48,511
traffic and GPS and car it is certainly

3062
02:21:54,560 --> 02:21:52,860
now everywhere if it goes down we don't

3063
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:54,570
have any distribution we don't have a

3064
02:21:58,850 --> 02:21:56,250
trucking system we don't have Airlines

3065
02:22:01,430 --> 02:21:58,860
we don't have have have everything goes

3066
02:22:03,501 --> 02:22:01,440
away quickly so the Internet of Things

3067
02:22:05,810 --> 02:22:03,511
may not be the internet of things that

3068
02:22:08,270 --> 02:22:05,820
we're talking about here but it is

3069
02:22:11,541 --> 02:22:08,280
certainly global and half of the world

3070
02:22:15,950 --> 02:22:11,551
is is on a computer network every single

3071
02:22:17,961 --> 02:22:15,960
day yeah it's true it's very connected

3072
02:22:20,470 --> 02:22:17,971
these days and you know there's a saying

3073
02:22:23,511 --> 02:22:20,480
in the tech world that we tend to

3074
02:22:26,570 --> 02:22:23,521
overestimate what can happen in a few

3075
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:26,580
years right if you go back to 95 they

3076
02:22:29,871 --> 02:22:27,690
were saying all kinds of things that

3077
02:22:32,810 --> 02:22:29,881
might happen in a few years well then we

3078
02:22:35,150 --> 02:22:32,820
have the Internet crash and those things

3079
02:22:38,631 --> 02:22:35,160
did happen they took a little bit longer

3080
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:38,641
but then we tend to underestimate what

3081
02:22:42,921 --> 02:22:41,040
can happen in the long run I mean today

3082
02:22:45,410 --> 02:22:42,931
as you said the Internet is being used

3083
02:22:47,751 --> 02:22:45,420
in ways that did we didn't even envision

3084
02:22:49,100 --> 02:22:47,761
you know back in the 90s whether it's

3085
02:22:51,020 --> 02:22:49,110
social networks or supply chain

3086
02:22:52,929 --> 02:22:51,030
management I was at I was in New York

3087
02:22:55,900 --> 02:22:52,939
last couple of days where they have

3088
02:22:58,960 --> 02:22:55,910
blockchain week going on and there was a

3089
02:23:00,580 --> 02:22:58,970
blockchain Asia Meetup and two of the

3090
02:23:03,310 --> 02:23:00,590
projects were about supply chain

3091
02:23:05,590 --> 02:23:03,320
management for the truckers and having

3092
02:23:08,410 --> 02:23:05,600
it kind of all tracked within a

3093
02:23:10,719 --> 02:23:08,420
blockchain you know right now there's

3094
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:10,729
talking about tracking so it's not

3095
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:13,130
touching the AI that much but over time

3096
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:15,530
you know as these things are tracked in

3097
02:23:20,620 --> 02:23:18,410
in shared Ledger's it makes sense to

3098
02:23:22,360 --> 02:23:20,630
have the AI analyze it but you're right

3099
02:23:24,490 --> 02:23:22,370
if things go out today

3100
02:23:26,290 --> 02:23:24,500
you know those connections are pretty

3101
02:23:29,469 --> 02:23:26,300
important luckily we still have a lot of

3102
02:23:30,969 --> 02:23:29,479
backups I mean if you think of back in

3103
02:23:33,670 --> 02:23:30,979
the 90s we were all worried about the

3104
02:23:35,469 --> 02:23:33,680
year 2000 problem right the y2k broke

3105
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:35,479
and we thought there was gonna be a doom

3106
02:23:38,290 --> 02:23:37,010
and gloom and you know the worst thing

3107
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:38,300
that happened was there was a

3108
02:23:44,850 --> 02:23:40,880
blockbuster that charged a guy for a

3109
02:23:47,800 --> 02:23:44,860
hundred years worth of renting the video

3110
02:23:50,200 --> 02:23:47,810
so we were overestimating the problem in

3111
02:23:52,810 --> 02:23:50,210
the short term but in the long term I

3112
02:23:55,960 --> 02:23:52,820
mean that's where you know I don't think

3113
02:23:57,700 --> 02:23:55,970
anybody envisioned exactly how connected

3114
02:24:00,400 --> 02:23:57,710
we would be at the level of devices

3115
02:24:02,260 --> 02:24:00,410
these days and so it's possible now that

3116
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:02,270
people can hack into not just your

3117
02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:03,920
computer but your devices and that can

3118
02:24:08,830 --> 02:24:05,810
cause all kinds of chaos I thank you now

3119
02:24:13,660 --> 02:24:08,840
if somebody wanted to I mean today in

3120
02:24:17,170 --> 02:24:13,670
the now now today wanted to develop a

3121
02:24:22,660 --> 02:24:17,180
Skynet with the components of where we

3122
02:24:27,389 --> 02:24:22,670
are today theoretically is it possible I

3123
02:24:31,480 --> 02:24:27,399
think the gate number four which is the

3124
02:24:33,969 --> 02:24:31,490
self-awareness and prioritizing its own

3125
02:24:36,910 --> 02:24:33,979
survival I think that would be tough to

3126
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:36,920
do but I think the components are there

3127
02:24:41,969 --> 02:24:40,250
today but it'll still be a number of

3128
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:41,979
years before you can put them together

3129
02:24:45,969 --> 02:24:44,810
in a way that you have I still think

3130
02:24:48,429 --> 02:24:45,979
there needs to be some additional

3131
02:24:51,070 --> 02:24:48,439
breakthroughs as I said wave one of AI

3132
02:24:53,260 --> 02:24:51,080
was rule-based wave two was machine

3133
02:24:55,060 --> 02:24:53,270
learning with data I think we need to

3134
02:24:58,990 --> 02:24:55,070
have another wave that will combine

3135
02:25:01,110 --> 02:24:59,000
rules and data and values and goals for

3136
02:25:05,469 --> 02:25:01,120
what the AI is trying to accomplish and

3137
02:25:06,700 --> 02:25:05,479
you know this is where the the goals

3138
02:25:09,550 --> 02:25:06,710
become important because

3139
02:25:12,310 --> 02:25:09,560
the goals may not be specifically you

3140
02:25:14,440 --> 02:25:12,320
know to kill humans so there's a there's

3141
02:25:16,840 --> 02:25:14,450
a scenario that was posed online a few

3142
02:25:18,750 --> 02:25:16,850
years back called locos basilisk have

3143
02:25:21,610 --> 02:25:18,760
you ever heard of that yep absolutely

3144
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:21,620
right and so you know basilisk is a

3145
02:25:26,620 --> 02:25:24,560
mythological European creature the Harry

3146
02:25:28,150 --> 02:25:26,630
Potter fans will recognize it as a

3147
02:25:30,400 --> 02:25:28,160
creature where if you just look at it

3148
02:25:33,640 --> 02:25:30,410
right you turn to stone it's kind of

3149
02:25:35,110 --> 02:25:33,650
like a Medusa like creature and so they

3150
02:25:38,170 --> 02:25:35,120
call this ryoko's basilisk because

3151
02:25:39,820 --> 02:25:38,180
somebody posted this dilemma on the site

3152
02:25:41,380 --> 02:25:39,830
called les wrong and then the guy who

3153
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:41,390
ran the site decided to take it off

3154
02:25:44,410 --> 02:25:42,890
because they're worried that if you

3155
02:25:47,230 --> 02:25:44,420
thought too much about it you might go

3156
02:25:49,780 --> 02:25:47,240
crazy or like a basilisk the AI might

3157
02:25:52,390 --> 02:25:49,790
target you in some way and you know the

3158
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:52,400
basic idea of it is that if at some

3159
02:25:55,960 --> 02:25:54,170
point there is a super intelligent AI

3160
02:25:58,900 --> 02:25:55,970
right not initially today but at some

3161
02:26:00,880 --> 02:25:58,910
point that AI might have some good goals

3162
02:26:03,850 --> 02:26:00,890
the goals you know it might actually

3163
02:26:05,260 --> 02:26:03,860
help cure cancer and do other things or

3164
02:26:06,490 --> 02:26:05,270
it might just have the goal of

3165
02:26:08,320 --> 02:26:06,500
preserving itself so it could be a

3166
02:26:10,570 --> 02:26:08,330
malevolent AI or a benevolent a I

3167
02:26:14,410 --> 02:26:10,580
actually almost doesn't matter in this

3168
02:26:18,690 --> 02:26:14,420
scenario but if its goal is to do say

3169
02:26:21,310 --> 02:26:18,700
good things then it could conclude that

3170
02:26:21,880 --> 02:26:21,320
you know everybody that helped it get

3171
02:26:25,870 --> 02:26:21,890
there

3172
02:26:29,350 --> 02:26:25,880
oh is worth saving and anyone that did

3173
02:26:31,480 --> 02:26:29,360
not help it get there to get this AI out

3174
02:26:33,610 --> 02:26:31,490
sooner our human beings that are not

3175
02:26:37,050 --> 02:26:33,620
worth saving and they're worth killing

3176
02:26:40,120 --> 02:26:37,060
right and so this AI can conclude that

3177
02:26:42,130 --> 02:26:40,130
basically if there are people who don't

3178
02:26:43,719 --> 02:26:42,140
know how anything about this AI then

3179
02:26:44,860 --> 02:26:43,729
that's fine there's the people that

3180
02:26:46,660 --> 02:26:44,870
helped build it and then there's the

3181
02:26:48,700 --> 02:26:46,670
people who heard about it could have

3182
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:48,710
helped build it but who didn't that's

3183
02:26:55,240 --> 02:26:52,160
the dilemma that basically this AI would

3184
02:26:56,980 --> 02:26:55,250
try to go back in time right and get rid

3185
02:26:59,469 --> 02:26:56,990
of the people who knew about it but

3186
02:27:00,760 --> 02:26:59,479
didn't help it right way now how would

3187
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:00,770
that work well now we're getting to

3188
02:27:05,950 --> 02:27:03,290
quantum physics and we get into this the

3189
02:27:08,170 --> 02:27:05,960
simulation hypothesis that maybe it

3190
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:08,180
would create a simulation of the past

3191
02:27:14,261 --> 02:27:10,570
and maybe we're in that simulation

3192
02:27:16,140 --> 02:27:14,271
exactly I was watching

3193
02:27:18,220 --> 02:27:16,150
okay we're gonna do overtime tonight we

3194
02:27:20,411 --> 02:27:18,230
so you don't have a choice

3195
02:27:23,560 --> 02:27:20,421
here we're gonna do some overtime

3196
02:27:26,411 --> 02:27:23,570
because do you ever go to science week

3197
02:27:30,280 --> 02:27:26,421
there in Manhattan no I haven't been

3198
02:27:31,841 --> 02:27:30,290
there okay excellent panels right

3199
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:31,851
excellent panel you know they bring

3200
02:27:39,041 --> 02:27:36,370
everybody in and I'm addicted to these

3201
02:27:42,970 --> 02:27:39,051
these panels and science we could it's

3202
02:27:45,940 --> 02:27:42,980
it's so much fun and one of the points

3203
02:27:48,430 --> 02:27:45,950
that I watch get debated for a couple of

3204
02:27:49,900 --> 02:27:48,440
hours with you know the brightest of the

3205
02:27:55,001 --> 02:27:49,910
bright know sitting here debating this

3206
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:55,011
and one of them was just that that okay

3207
02:27:59,020 --> 02:27:57,200
so you know similar simulation theory is

3208
02:28:01,841 --> 02:27:59,030
a fantastic thing and it's a great

3209
02:28:04,060 --> 02:28:01,851
rabbit hole to go down and contemplate

3210
02:28:08,650 --> 02:28:04,070
and think about so you have that part of

3211
02:28:12,341 --> 02:28:08,660
it but his so let's say that we are in a

3212
02:28:16,841 --> 02:28:12,351
simulation right now while part of that

3213
02:28:20,890 --> 02:28:16,851
simulation would be for us as technology

3214
02:28:25,661 --> 02:28:20,900
evolves in our simulated world that we

3215
02:28:28,810 --> 02:28:25,671
would go and enter a simulation now

3216
02:28:34,381 --> 02:28:28,820
think about that for a second so you

3217
02:28:37,060 --> 02:28:34,391
would then be in a simulation of the

3218
02:28:40,390 --> 02:28:37,070
simulation and that's part of the

3219
02:28:43,091 --> 02:28:40,400
simulation and then in that simulation

3220
02:28:46,480 --> 02:28:43,101
in the future what would you do in that

3221
02:28:49,411 --> 02:28:46,490
simulation of the simulation technology

3222
02:28:52,690 --> 02:28:49,421
would advance and you would then enter a

3223
02:28:54,341 --> 02:28:52,700
simulation another simulation right well

3224
02:28:56,680 --> 02:28:54,351
it's kind of like you know a dream

3225
02:28:58,121 --> 02:28:56,690
within a dream within a dream it's what

3226
02:29:03,121 --> 02:28:58,131
you know Eastern mystics have been

3227
02:29:07,690 --> 02:29:05,411
right you know have been saying that we

3228
02:29:09,820 --> 02:29:07,700
are most likely in a simulation and the

3229
02:29:12,940 --> 02:29:09,830
only time we notice it is when there's a

3230
02:29:15,761 --> 02:29:12,950
variable that's changed and we feel

3231
02:29:18,251 --> 02:29:15,771
something or see something that's odd so

3232
02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:18,261
it gets back to this idea of being

3233
02:29:22,631 --> 02:29:20,450
inside the matrix if you will going back

3234
02:29:26,350 --> 02:29:22,641
to science-fiction right and you know

3235
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:26,360
what are the computing resources that

3236
02:29:29,440 --> 02:29:28,010
are generating this so

3237
02:29:31,540 --> 02:29:29,450
I have an article actually my most

3238
02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:31,550
popular article on my blog has been

3239
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:33,770
about the simulation hypothesis why

3240
02:29:38,679 --> 02:29:36,170
quantum physics AI and history stern

3241
02:29:40,860 --> 02:29:38,689
mystics all agree we are in a video game

3242
02:29:43,090 --> 02:29:40,870
but dreaming is a good analogy because

3243
02:29:44,590 --> 02:29:43,100
okay the Mystics are telling us that the

3244
02:29:46,450 --> 02:29:44,600
world around us is some kind of an

3245
02:29:48,820 --> 02:29:46,460
illusion and this is actually an area

3246
02:29:51,070 --> 02:29:48,830
where interestingly enough science and

3247
02:29:52,780 --> 02:29:51,080
spiritual and religious people both

3248
02:29:54,700 --> 02:29:52,790
agree that this could be possible right

3249
02:29:57,460 --> 02:29:54,710
it's one of the very few areas where

3250
02:30:01,210 --> 02:29:57,470
mainstream scientists and mainstream

3251
02:30:03,460 --> 02:30:01,220
religious people can can agree that in

3252
02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:03,470
both cases you know we could be inside a

3253
02:30:07,090 --> 02:30:05,120
giant video game and you know I've spent

3254
02:30:10,059 --> 02:30:07,100
a lot of time designing video games in

3255
02:30:11,889 --> 02:30:10,069
my career and thinking about you know

3256
02:30:14,019 --> 02:30:11,899
what do we do in video games like with

3257
02:30:16,030 --> 02:30:14,029
pac-man you had multiple lives and you

3258
02:30:17,889 --> 02:30:16,040
had multiple levels and after you lost

3259
02:30:21,309 --> 02:30:17,899
life you would go back in and play again

3260
02:30:22,929 --> 02:30:21,319
right well that you know look at the

3261
02:30:25,809 --> 02:30:22,939
Eastern mystics who say we have multiple

3262
02:30:28,269 --> 02:30:25,819
lives and we go back again and again and

3263
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:28,279
it's the Karma between those lives that

3264
02:30:34,510 --> 02:30:31,040
tells us what situations we we have to

3265
02:30:36,099 --> 02:30:34,520
achieve now most games today when they

3266
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:36,109
have quests they're the same quests for

3267
02:30:40,870 --> 02:30:38,479
all the players but you could envision a

3268
02:30:42,309 --> 02:30:40,880
video game where every single player had

3269
02:30:45,519 --> 02:30:42,319
different quests and different

3270
02:30:48,130 --> 02:30:45,529
achievements based upon you know their

3271
02:30:51,580 --> 02:30:48,140
previous record and what they had done

3272
02:30:54,190 --> 02:30:51,590
in the past and video games are 3d

3273
02:30:56,530 --> 02:30:54,200
pixelated worlds and they're getting

3274
02:30:58,960 --> 02:30:56,540
more and more complex in fact the

3275
02:31:01,480 --> 02:30:58,970
resolution you know has gotten to the

3276
02:31:03,730 --> 02:31:01,490
point where you know if you think of

3277
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:03,740
like a movie we watch a movie on a movie

3278
02:31:08,620 --> 02:31:06,050
screen the the resolution on those

3279
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:08,630
screens is usually 2k but a lot of the

3280
02:31:12,070 --> 02:31:10,880
video games are getting to 4k resolution

3281
02:31:13,780 --> 02:31:12,080
so even though they look like video

3282
02:31:16,210 --> 02:31:13,790
games they actually have the right

3283
02:31:18,340 --> 02:31:16,220
number of resolution and pixels where

3284
02:31:19,450 --> 02:31:18,350
eventually they can become very

3285
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:19,460
photorealistic

3286
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:21,200
and we wouldn't be able to tell the

3287
02:31:25,960 --> 02:31:23,120
difference of whether we were inside a

3288
02:31:29,469 --> 02:31:25,970
video game or we were in a physical or

3289
02:31:31,540 --> 02:31:29,479
what some call a base reality right

3290
02:31:34,980 --> 02:31:31,550
right we need to take a break right here

3291
02:31:39,610 --> 02:31:34,990
and this is the thing about all of this

3292
02:31:41,140 --> 02:31:39,620
it's harder to argue against the

3293
02:31:42,700 --> 02:31:41,150
simulation

3294
02:31:45,490 --> 02:31:42,710
that you know that we're living in a

3295
02:31:49,091 --> 02:31:45,500
free will that it's not a simulation you

3296
02:31:52,600 --> 02:31:49,101
can't really argue that point it's it's

3297
02:31:54,730 --> 02:31:52,610
hard to get out of it then the other

3298
02:31:56,621 --> 02:31:54,740
side and that's the fascinating part of

3299
02:31:58,421 --> 02:31:56,631
simulation theory once you start to get

3300
02:32:00,341 --> 02:31:58,431
into it and you understand the

3301
02:32:03,490 --> 02:32:00,351
mathematics part of it and how it plays

3302
02:32:05,740 --> 02:32:03,500
out free will gets actually removed and

3303
02:32:08,291 --> 02:32:05,750
we'll talk about more of it right after

3304
02:32:10,541 --> 02:32:08,301
the break but it is it's it's tough man

3305
02:32:13,810 --> 02:32:10,551
if you want to play that side of the

3306
02:32:15,850 --> 02:32:13,820
coin you're gonna lose the argument you

3307
02:32:17,921 --> 02:32:15,860
are in a simulation this is fade to

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02:32:18,610 --> 02:32:17,931
black I'm history church I guess tonight

3309
02:32:20,261 --> 02:32:18,620
Risberg

3310
02:32:21,550 --> 02:32:20,271
but we're gonna do over time right now

3311
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:21,560
with rizz stay with us

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02:32:31,960 --> 02:32:31,500
[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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goodbye dear and you are listening to my

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boy Jimmy Church on Jimmy Church radio

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02:37:04,940 --> 02:37:01,950
one step further let's take what you've

3400
02:37:07,940 --> 02:37:04,950
written here one step further and let's

3401
02:37:11,690 --> 02:37:07,950
suppose let's presuppose let's suppose

3402
02:37:17,030 --> 02:37:11,700
something that this simulation Theory

3403
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:17,040
the AI the a R possibility of the

3404
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blockchain and the Internet of Things

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02:37:24,280 --> 02:37:20,820
all of we take all of this into

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consideration and suggest this that with

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Internet routers in your home with Wi-Fi

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with Bluetooth with the ability to send

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and and upload programming into your

3410
02:37:49,090 --> 02:37:44,670
iron filled brain that we could be the

3411
02:37:53,060 --> 02:37:49,100
servants the worker bees the slaves of

3412
02:37:56,270 --> 02:37:53,070
the machine right now and we don't even

3413
02:37:58,820 --> 02:37:56,280
know it well you know that's a

3414
02:38:01,220 --> 02:37:58,830
possibility and that's the possibility

3415
02:38:02,660 --> 02:38:01,230
that was explored in the matrix right in

3416
02:38:06,170 --> 02:38:02,670
the end they were super intelligent

3417
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:06,180
machines that we're having humans live

3418
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:08,250
in the matrix which was like an online

3419
02:38:14,180 --> 02:38:10,890
video game where we're all interacting

3420
02:38:17,510 --> 02:38:14,190
with each other right so we could go one

3421
02:38:21,260 --> 02:38:17,520
step further which is that the idea that

3422
02:38:24,620 --> 02:38:21,270
we're not we are actually simulations

3423
02:38:28,490 --> 02:38:24,630
within the simulation that we're

3424
02:38:31,220 --> 02:38:28,500
actually you know AI as opposed to real

3425
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:31,230
beings who are controlling characters so

3426
02:38:35,210 --> 02:38:33,120
in the video game parlance the question

3427
02:38:36,920 --> 02:38:35,220
is are we player characters which means

3428
02:38:38,900 --> 02:38:36,930
that some part of us is outside the game

3429
02:38:40,400 --> 02:38:38,910
and telling us what to do and that's

3430
02:38:42,020 --> 02:38:40,410
what a lot of the spiritual is

3431
02:38:43,850 --> 02:38:42,030
particularly Eastern traditions but even

3432
02:38:45,470 --> 02:38:43,860
in the Western religions the idea is

3433
02:38:48,530 --> 02:38:45,480
there's a soul that's independent of the

3434
02:38:49,370 --> 02:38:48,540
body and it comes in to this 3d rendered

3435
02:38:53,060 --> 02:38:49,380
world

3436
02:38:57,080 --> 02:38:53,070
or are we NPCs which are non-player

3437
02:38:59,680 --> 02:38:57,090
characters in games that are just AI and

3438
02:39:02,030 --> 02:38:59,690
so you know I had mentioned this Oxford

3439
02:39:04,580 --> 02:39:02,040
researcher Nick Bostrom earlier and you

3440
02:39:07,970 --> 02:39:04,590
know he put forth the simulation

3441
02:39:10,640 --> 02:39:07,980
argument back in 2003 or 2004 and wrote

3442
02:39:12,470 --> 02:39:10,650
a paper on it and his argument was that

3443
02:39:14,780 --> 02:39:12,480
we are probably not just that we're

3444
02:39:17,511 --> 02:39:14,790
probably in a simulation but we're more

3445
02:39:19,551 --> 02:39:17,521
likely to be simulated consciousness

3446
02:39:21,381 --> 02:39:19,561
than real based reality consciousness

3447
02:39:24,261 --> 02:39:21,391
and his his argument kind of went this

3448
02:39:27,171 --> 02:39:24,271
way he said let's suppose that at some

3449
02:39:28,820 --> 02:39:27,181
point humanity reaches what he called a

3450
02:39:31,131 --> 02:39:28,830
post human stage but I called a

3451
02:39:34,011 --> 02:39:31,141
simulation point which is the point at

3452
02:39:37,910 --> 02:39:34,021
which we can create an artificial world

3453
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:37,920
a simulated reality that's so real that

3454
02:39:41,780 --> 02:39:39,690
we aren't able to distinguish between

3455
02:39:44,690 --> 02:39:41,790
the physical world and the simulated

3456
02:39:46,970 --> 02:39:44,700
world right so if a civilization reaches

3457
02:39:49,370 --> 02:39:46,980
that point where it can create what he

3458
02:39:52,220 --> 02:39:49,380
calls an ancestor simulation which means

3459
02:39:53,570 --> 02:39:52,230
you go back and you start from before

3460
02:39:56,600 --> 02:39:53,580
there was technology you go

3461
02:39:57,950 --> 02:39:56,610
kinda like a civilization game right sid

3462
02:40:00,591 --> 02:39:57,960
meier civilization or some of these

3463
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:00,601
mobile games where you build up from

3464
02:40:08,390 --> 02:40:04,080
hots to skyscrapers eventually and that

3465
02:40:11,720 --> 02:40:08,400
if we if a a civilization ever reaches

3466
02:40:13,730 --> 02:40:11,730
that point either one they won't do any

3467
02:40:16,070 --> 02:40:13,740
simulations because it'll be forbidden

3468
02:40:19,341 --> 02:40:16,080
for whatever reason or two they will

3469
02:40:21,080 --> 02:40:19,351
create an ancestor simulation and if

3470
02:40:22,881 --> 02:40:21,090
they create one they're more likely to

3471
02:40:24,530 --> 02:40:22,891
create lots of simulations that's the

3472
02:40:26,660 --> 02:40:24,540
whole point of simulations is you can

3473
02:40:29,261 --> 02:40:26,670
run on them and you can watch what

3474
02:40:31,580 --> 02:40:29,271
happens even today you know we have

3475
02:40:33,350 --> 02:40:31,590
companies that will do like Monte Carlo

3476
02:40:34,910 --> 02:40:33,360
simulations to figure out what are the

3477
02:40:37,251 --> 02:40:34,920
likely results of things and they'll run

3478
02:40:38,990 --> 02:40:37,261
thousands of these simulations so the

3479
02:40:41,180 --> 02:40:39,000
idea was that if a civilization ever

3480
02:40:43,341 --> 02:40:41,190
reached that point it would run lots of

3481
02:40:46,341 --> 02:40:43,351
ancestor simulations and those

3482
02:40:48,650 --> 02:40:46,351
simulations would use artificial

3483
02:40:51,261 --> 02:40:48,660
consciousness so the people inside those

3484
02:40:54,140 --> 02:40:51,271
simulations are just artificial and in

3485
02:40:56,570 --> 02:40:54,150
since there are way more artificial

3486
02:40:58,041 --> 02:40:56,580
simulations then there is base reality

3487
02:41:00,080 --> 02:40:58,051
there's only one based reality for

3488
02:41:01,700 --> 02:41:00,090
example that means that if you just do a

3489
02:41:02,990 --> 02:41:01,710
simple statistical analysis and say

3490
02:41:04,610 --> 02:41:03,000
let's say there's

3491
02:41:06,620 --> 02:41:04,620
seven billion or whatever number you

3492
02:41:08,809 --> 02:41:06,630
want to use in the real world there's a

3493
02:41:11,860 --> 02:41:08,819
hundred billion artificial these

3494
02:41:14,479 --> 02:41:11,870
simulated consciousnesses eventually so

3495
02:41:16,639 --> 02:41:14,489
if you can do simple probability and say

3496
02:41:18,050 --> 02:41:16,649
it's more likely that we're one of the

3497
02:41:20,150 --> 02:41:18,060
hundred billion than one of the seven

3498
02:41:22,760 --> 02:41:20,160
billion just probabilistically speaking

3499
02:41:25,309 --> 02:41:22,770
right so that was his argument which you

3500
02:41:27,979 --> 02:41:25,319
know is an interesting one that we're

3501
02:41:28,610 --> 02:41:27,989
not just being in the a high but we may

3502
02:41:33,889 --> 02:41:28,620
be the AI

3503
02:41:36,170 --> 02:41:33,899
right well now and this is where the

3504
02:41:39,380 --> 02:41:36,180
question of free will comes up where

3505
02:41:41,840 --> 02:41:39,390
somebody the the argument to all of this

3506
02:41:44,719 --> 02:41:41,850
is what what about free will it can't be

3507
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:44,729
a simulation because I made a choice

3508
02:41:50,300 --> 02:41:47,160
today between a hamburger and a salad

3509
02:41:53,599 --> 02:41:50,310
and I chose the hamburger that is free

3510
02:41:57,080 --> 02:41:53,609
will it can't be a simulation because of

3511
02:42:02,050 --> 02:41:57,090
free will and the counter to that which

3512
02:42:04,790 --> 02:42:02,060
is so easy is this that all

3513
02:42:08,360 --> 02:42:04,800
probabilities play out in mathematics

3514
02:42:12,200 --> 02:42:08,370
going back to the Big Bang and that

3515
02:42:15,380 --> 02:42:12,210
atoms and decisions and electrons and

3516
02:42:17,780 --> 02:42:15,390
neurons and light are going to play out

3517
02:42:21,740 --> 02:42:17,790
the way that they are going to play out

3518
02:42:24,380 --> 02:42:21,750
you cannot change that therefore your

3519
02:42:27,830 --> 02:42:24,390
freewill decision today for the

3520
02:42:33,740 --> 02:42:27,840
hamburger is a mathematical one you

3521
02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:33,750
would have never chosen the salad one

3522
02:42:37,880 --> 02:42:35,850
argument was mathematically speaking

3523
02:42:39,500 --> 02:42:37,890
that's the the possibility that you're

3524
02:42:42,200 --> 02:42:39,510
at but you know as a video game designer

3525
02:42:45,500 --> 02:42:42,210
I would say okay have you ever played a

3526
02:42:47,420 --> 02:42:45,510
video game like Second Life or Grand

3527
02:42:49,460 --> 02:42:47,430
Theft Auto where there is open world

3528
02:42:51,170 --> 02:42:49,470
right so it looks like you can do

3529
02:42:53,389 --> 02:42:51,180
anything in those world so it looks like

3530
02:42:55,940 --> 02:42:53,399
you can just go create a house create a

3531
02:42:58,309 --> 02:42:55,950
hamburger or a pizza but really there's

3532
02:43:00,260 --> 02:42:58,319
this there's only a set of things that

3533
02:43:02,420 --> 02:43:00,270
you can really do from the game

3534
02:43:04,580 --> 02:43:02,430
designers perspective there's actually a

3535
02:43:06,559 --> 02:43:04,590
limited number of choices and those

3536
02:43:09,160 --> 02:43:06,569
choices lead to another limited set of

3537
02:43:12,050 --> 02:43:09,170
choices so you get this big grid of

3538
02:43:13,460 --> 02:43:12,060
possible possibilities right in the

3539
02:43:15,290 --> 02:43:13,470
video game so you still you think you're

3540
02:43:16,330 --> 02:43:15,300
using freewill and you are to a certain

3541
02:43:18,820 --> 02:43:16,340
extent

3542
02:43:21,599 --> 02:43:18,830
but the choices are limited you know by

3543
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:21,609
the parameters of the simulation itself

3544
02:43:27,160 --> 02:43:24,530
and so this this kind of ties into the

3545
02:43:29,410 --> 02:43:27,170
whole idea of quantum physics and the

3546
02:43:32,380 --> 02:43:29,420
idea of the particle versus the wave and

3547
02:43:34,690 --> 02:43:32,390
what are these probabilities right and

3548
02:43:36,520 --> 02:43:34,700
most of your listeners may have heard me

3549
02:43:39,190 --> 02:43:36,530
talk about this before or somebody else

3550
02:43:42,160 --> 02:43:39,200
where the idea is that if it's if a

3551
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:42,170
particle is a solid particle it's only

3552
02:43:46,599 --> 02:43:45,050
in one place but if it's a wave it's a

3553
02:43:48,040 --> 02:43:46,609
probability and let's say you're in a

3554
02:43:49,330 --> 02:43:48,050
theater and there's a bunch of states it

3555
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:49,340
could be in any of those seats and

3556
02:43:54,730 --> 02:43:52,160
there's a certain probability of the

3557
02:43:56,920 --> 02:43:54,740
particle being in all those seats and

3558
02:43:59,320 --> 02:43:56,930
what causes the collapse of that wave

3559
02:44:01,780 --> 02:43:59,330
from a set of probabilities to a single

3560
02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:01,790
reality well nobody really knows but the

3561
02:44:05,469 --> 02:44:03,530
best answer physicists have been able to

3562
02:44:08,440 --> 02:44:05,479
come up with is it's the act of

3563
02:44:11,950 --> 02:44:08,450
observation that collapses the

3564
02:44:14,050 --> 02:44:11,960
probability wave into the single reality

3565
02:44:15,910 --> 02:44:14,060
that you're seeing and that's why we

3566
02:44:18,610 --> 02:44:15,920
only see one reality at a time now the

3567
02:44:20,670 --> 02:44:18,620
question is do those other realities the

3568
02:44:23,670 --> 02:44:20,680
problem mathematical probabilities

3569
02:44:26,410 --> 02:44:23,680
actually exist or are they just

3570
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:26,420
probabilities and you think of it in

3571
02:44:30,969 --> 02:44:28,880
terms of a chess game in chess you can

3572
02:44:32,469 --> 02:44:30,979
lay out all the steps that might you

3573
02:44:34,660 --> 02:44:32,479
could take and then you can go out to

3574
02:44:37,780 --> 02:44:34,670
have probabilities for the next steps do

3575
02:44:40,030 --> 02:44:37,790
those really exist until you actually

3576
02:44:42,429 --> 02:44:40,040
make the move then you see one of those

3577
02:44:44,560 --> 02:44:42,439
realities play out and so some people

3578
02:44:48,099 --> 02:44:44,570
think you know in the simulation

3579
02:44:49,750 --> 02:44:48,109
hypothesis that that it's like a video

3580
02:44:51,880 --> 02:44:49,760
game if you log in a world of warcraft

3581
02:44:54,429 --> 02:44:51,890
and nobody's there you know does that

3582
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:54,439
world exist but when you're there and

3583
02:44:59,469 --> 02:44:56,720
you make a choice it has in its memory

3584
02:45:01,210 --> 02:44:59,479
all the possible things you could do but

3585
02:45:02,889 --> 02:45:01,220
when you make a choice it's that's

3586
02:45:05,980 --> 02:45:02,899
observing it and that causes it to

3587
02:45:08,200 --> 02:45:05,990
render that world around you so I would

3588
02:45:10,179 --> 02:45:08,210
just say that I don't think that it

3589
02:45:12,520 --> 02:45:10,189
those are mutually exclusive free will

3590
02:45:14,980 --> 02:45:12,530
and a simulation don't have to be

3591
02:45:16,750 --> 02:45:14,990
mutually exclusive because you you just

3592
02:45:18,700 --> 02:45:16,760
may be limited to the choices but you're

3593
02:45:21,099 --> 02:45:18,710
still able to make choices within those

3594
02:45:24,219 --> 02:45:21,109
set of choices and and the choice is an

3595
02:45:27,591 --> 02:45:24,229
illusion see the choice you think you've

3596
02:45:30,890 --> 02:45:27,601
made the choice but

3597
02:45:34,541 --> 02:45:30,900
it was going to play out that way anyway

3598
02:45:38,291 --> 02:45:34,551
the future is already a mathematical

3599
02:45:41,631 --> 02:45:38,301
equation that it's playing itself out

3600
02:45:43,671 --> 02:45:41,641
and that could be yeah although I would

3601
02:45:46,551 --> 02:45:43,681
say that it's maybe a set of

3602
02:45:48,171 --> 02:45:46,561
probabilities of the future and so it's

3603
02:45:50,751 --> 02:45:48,181
not that there's only one and that's why

3604
02:45:52,671 --> 02:45:50,761
it's interesting too for the simulations

3605
02:45:55,640 --> 02:45:52,681
to play out is to see which of the paths

3606
02:45:58,011 --> 02:45:55,650
to people take but it's a limited Senna

3607
02:46:00,531 --> 02:45:58,021
path as opposed to a completely freewill

3608
02:46:02,801 --> 02:46:00,541
unlimited set it would be my opinion but

3609
02:46:05,781 --> 02:46:02,811
you know we're speculating that well

3610
02:46:08,600 --> 02:46:05,791
it's so interesting to start to think

3611
02:46:10,631 --> 02:46:08,610
about this because it gets scarier as

3612
02:46:13,640 --> 02:46:10,641
you start to answer the questions and

3613
02:46:16,131 --> 02:46:13,650
the more that you do it leans more and

3614
02:46:19,251 --> 02:46:16,141
more towards the the simulation theory

3615
02:46:21,201 --> 02:46:19,261
and if you go back and look at your past

3616
02:46:23,001 --> 02:46:21,211
look at your past and to go well you

3617
02:46:27,291 --> 02:46:23,011
know I wouldn't I wouldn't have gone to

3618
02:46:28,940 --> 02:46:27,301
MIT and graduated if I hadn't across the

3619
02:46:31,041 --> 02:46:28,950
street that day because that day

3620
02:46:33,621 --> 02:46:31,051
somebody said to me and I changed my

3621
02:46:35,650 --> 02:46:33,631
mind and I didn't go and it said I went

3622
02:46:38,440 --> 02:46:35,660
left and the next thing you know I

3623
02:46:41,270 --> 02:46:38,450
because of that decision I went to MIT

3624
02:46:43,520 --> 02:46:41,280
okay well and you go so that that that

3625
02:46:46,430 --> 02:46:43,530
was freewill playing itself out and it

3626
02:46:48,230 --> 02:46:46,440
made me who I am today the argument to

3627
02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:48,240
that is you would have made that

3628
02:46:56,511 --> 02:46:52,410
decision anyway right it's just it's

3629
02:47:00,770 --> 02:46:56,521
just the way that that the Big Bang

3630
02:47:03,711 --> 02:47:00,780
played itself out all the way to now and

3631
02:47:06,261 --> 02:47:03,721
we'll continue mathematically to play

3632
02:47:08,600 --> 02:47:06,271
out in the future it only seems like

3633
02:47:11,900 --> 02:47:08,610
free will because you're in a simulation

3634
02:47:14,301 --> 02:47:11,910
right and so you're taking the point of

3635
02:47:17,451 --> 02:47:14,311
view that it's more deterministic where

3636
02:47:19,821 --> 02:47:17,461
you know X happen in the past and alito

3637
02:47:20,991 --> 02:47:19,831
Y happening now no matter what yes right

3638
02:47:24,680 --> 02:47:21,001
I think it's free will

3639
02:47:26,600 --> 02:47:24,690
yeah free will is an illusion that's one

3640
02:47:29,871 --> 02:47:26,610
that's one view but you know Stephen

3641
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:29,881
Hawking made the point that that and

3642
02:47:33,321 --> 02:47:32,160
this gets into another area another can

3643
02:47:34,970 --> 02:47:33,331
of worms which I don't know we want to

3644
02:47:37,400 --> 02:47:34,980
go into tonight but he made the point

3645
02:47:39,321 --> 02:47:37,410
that certain particles disappear into a

3646
02:47:41,390 --> 02:47:39,331
black hole and the particles that come

3647
02:47:45,501 --> 02:47:41,400
out are not related to those and he said

3648
02:47:47,060 --> 02:47:45,511
that that determinism broke down which

3649
02:47:49,371 --> 02:47:47,070
means you couldn't really tell the

3650
02:47:51,890 --> 02:47:49,381
history and so the question is is the

3651
02:47:53,421 --> 02:47:51,900
history that we remember something that

3652
02:47:55,791 --> 02:47:53,431
actually happened or are they like

3653
02:47:57,680 --> 02:47:55,801
implanted memories when we couldn't

3654
02:47:59,421 --> 02:47:57,690
actually be sure that the simulation

3655
02:48:01,761 --> 02:47:59,431
like somebody stopped the simulation

3656
02:48:02,990 --> 02:48:01,771
changed it and reran it and now we have

3657
02:48:04,430 --> 02:48:03,000
a different history or a different

3658
02:48:07,461 --> 02:48:04,440
memory of what might have happened

3659
02:48:09,621 --> 02:48:07,471
before right and now we might go a

3660
02:48:11,030 --> 02:48:09,631
different way than we did before right

3661
02:48:11,690 --> 02:48:11,040
in votes those cases there's not

3662
02:48:14,480 --> 02:48:11,700
freewill

3663
02:48:17,360 --> 02:48:14,490
but they're that what's making that

3664
02:48:19,430 --> 02:48:17,370
deterministic path changes I mean does

3665
02:48:20,810 --> 02:48:19,440
the past exist you know I think in the

3666
02:48:22,700 --> 02:48:20,820
spiritual traditions they tend to take

3667
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:22,710
you know more of a view that we have

3668
02:48:27,320 --> 02:48:25,530
free will but that we also have certain

3669
02:48:28,640 --> 02:48:27,330
things that we were meant to do in this

3670
02:48:30,770 --> 02:48:28,650
life and that that's what I wrote about

3671
02:48:32,900 --> 02:48:30,780
in my book treasure hunt and that we get

3672
02:48:35,270 --> 02:48:32,910
the clues where the guy across the

3673
02:48:38,961 --> 02:48:35,280
street is telling you to go to MIT you

3674
02:48:41,270 --> 02:48:38,971
know was a clue placed there by those of

3675
02:48:44,060 --> 02:48:41,280
the part of us that's not in this 3d

3676
02:48:45,770 --> 02:48:44,070
simulated reality as a reminder that

3677
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:45,780
this was the path that I was supposed to

3678
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:48,000
follow so I you could make arguments

3679
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:51,690
either way I guess what do we so when we

3680
02:48:58,450 --> 02:48:54,570
when we bring in consciousness and

3681
02:49:02,900 --> 02:48:58,460
awakening into the picture how does that

3682
02:49:05,751 --> 02:49:02,910
separate from that 3d reality that most

3683
02:49:07,581 --> 02:49:05,761
people live in where there there isn't a

3684
02:49:10,060 --> 02:49:07,591
parallel world there isn't quantum

3685
02:49:12,621 --> 02:49:10,070
mechanics or quantum theory there isn't

3686
02:49:16,341 --> 02:49:12,631
anything there isn't any life after

3687
02:49:19,131 --> 02:49:16,351
death right that you you die and

3688
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:19,141
everything ends you know these two

3689
02:49:23,871 --> 02:49:21,210
worlds are starting to collide and in

3690
02:49:25,761 --> 02:49:23,881
simulation theory that's where it starts

3691
02:49:27,591 --> 02:49:25,771
to get really really interesting too as

3692
02:49:32,150 --> 02:49:27,601
well because the two can't exist they

3693
02:49:35,660 --> 02:49:32,160
can't go exist right because you could

3694
02:49:37,820 --> 02:49:35,670
say in mainstream science scientists

3695
02:49:42,381 --> 02:49:37,830
today right we take the point of view

3696
02:49:45,020 --> 02:49:42,391
that we're just cells and consciousness

3697
02:49:46,251 --> 02:49:45,030
is just these cells interacting with

3698
02:49:48,350 --> 02:49:46,261
each other and we haven't figured it out

3699
02:49:51,381 --> 02:49:48,360
yet but eventually we will figure out

3700
02:49:54,261 --> 02:49:51,391
how to make cells be conscious and this

3701
02:49:54,980 --> 02:49:54,271
ties back to our idea of the AI being

3702
02:49:58,660 --> 02:49:54,990
self-aware

3703
02:50:00,530 --> 02:49:58,670
right at which point is it conscious

3704
02:50:02,390 --> 02:50:00,540
whereas I think in the spiritual

3705
02:50:05,421 --> 02:50:02,400
traditions we would argue that there is

3706
02:50:08,360 --> 02:50:05,431
consciousness that inhabits

3707
02:50:10,220 --> 02:50:08,370
the physical 3d world which is more like

3708
02:50:11,720 --> 02:50:10,230
a player of a video game right I can

3709
02:50:13,910 --> 02:50:11,730
bring up world of warcraft or dota2

3710
02:50:16,220 --> 02:50:13,920
that's my character but that's not me

3711
02:50:18,110 --> 02:50:16,230
right and so I think the simulation

3712
02:50:21,051 --> 02:50:18,120
hypothesis is interesting because you

3713
02:50:23,570 --> 02:50:21,061
know most scientists can agree that

3714
02:50:27,080 --> 02:50:23,580
that's a very real possibility right

3715
02:50:29,570 --> 02:50:27,090
because if they say it's just cells that

3716
02:50:31,580 --> 02:50:29,580
die well that could be a simulation and

3717
02:50:34,370 --> 02:50:31,590
once the simulation is over it's done

3718
02:50:36,020 --> 02:50:34,380
right we're just this sort of

3719
02:50:37,160 --> 02:50:36,030
artificially simulated consciousness

3720
02:50:40,190 --> 02:50:37,170
within the game you turn the game

3721
02:50:43,310 --> 02:50:40,200
servers off and it's gone you restarted

3722
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:43,320
and it's a whole new thing but I think

3723
02:50:48,280 --> 02:50:45,450
equally valid is the point that this 3d

3724
02:50:50,780 --> 02:50:48,290
reality is a kind of a simulation right

3725
02:50:54,051 --> 02:50:50,790
whereas the Yogi's you know talk about

3726
02:50:56,770 --> 02:50:54,061
Maya the world of illusion that we're in

3727
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:56,780
and they use the analogy of dreams that

3728
02:51:02,330 --> 02:51:00,000
this world is like a collective dream or

3729
02:51:05,450 --> 02:51:02,340
a collective MMORPG that I would say has

3730
02:51:07,850 --> 02:51:05,460
a video game designer but then in this

3731
02:51:09,620 --> 02:51:07,860
dream we can dream we create dreams when

3732
02:51:11,060 --> 02:51:09,630
we go to sleep and you've probably had

3733
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:11,070
that situation where in the dream you

3734
02:51:14,780 --> 02:51:13,200
wake up but you haven't actually woken

3735
02:51:17,360 --> 02:51:14,790
up you're still in a dream right it's

3736
02:51:18,921 --> 02:51:17,370
like the dream within the dream but but

3737
02:51:21,410 --> 02:51:18,931
anyway I guess my broader point is I

3738
02:51:24,440 --> 02:51:21,420
think the simulation hypothesis is is is

3739
02:51:26,091 --> 02:51:24,450
a bridge that you know bridges these two

3740
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:26,101
worlds that don't agree on a lot of

3741
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:28,650
stuff well and I would have thought I

3742
02:51:32,780 --> 02:51:31,050
would have said years ago that science

3743
02:51:36,110 --> 02:51:32,790
fiction was science fiction and and

3744
02:51:39,801 --> 02:51:36,120
these thoughts of living in a simulation

3745
02:51:42,171 --> 02:51:39,811
were just you know pure fantasy and that

3746
02:51:45,011 --> 02:51:42,181
most people wouldn't be interested in

3747
02:51:48,680 --> 02:51:45,021
the subject at all and today you look at

3748
02:51:50,780 --> 02:51:48,690
not only gaming and how popular gaming

3749
02:51:55,341 --> 02:51:50,790
is and how people want to get into these

3750
02:51:57,620 --> 02:51:55,351
you know a first-person shooter all you

3751
02:52:01,520 --> 02:51:57,630
know these alternate reality type games

3752
02:52:04,610 --> 02:52:01,530
world of warcraft or guru mist you know

3753
02:52:05,790 --> 02:52:04,620
and where you are totally immersive I

3754
02:52:08,340 --> 02:52:05,800
and

3755
02:52:13,469 --> 02:52:08,350
you have the other part of it we're not

3756
02:52:15,510 --> 02:52:13,479
necessarily gamers but Sims and the

3757
02:52:18,660 --> 02:52:15,520
ability to create your own character and

3758
02:52:20,820 --> 02:52:18,670
build your own things and and and an

3759
02:52:22,889 --> 02:52:20,830
alternate personality for yourself

3760
02:52:25,469 --> 02:52:22,899
you're building a you know your

3761
02:52:29,520 --> 02:52:25,479
character that you want to look like

3762
02:52:31,020 --> 02:52:29,530
that you desire and and the the worlds

3763
02:52:33,240 --> 02:52:31,030
that you're living in socially and

3764
02:52:37,969 --> 02:52:33,250
interacting with inside of these games

3765
02:52:40,290 --> 02:52:37,979
people are actually very okay with it

3766
02:52:42,120 --> 02:52:40,300
yeah they take it very seriously I mean

3767
02:52:43,860 --> 02:52:42,130
if I mentioned Second Life earlier you

3768
02:52:45,450 --> 02:52:43,870
mentioned the Sims right in Second Life

3769
02:52:48,030 --> 02:52:45,460
you have characters that get married

3770
02:52:50,219 --> 02:52:48,040
right with each other and then they

3771
02:52:51,960 --> 02:52:50,229
cheat with other people like it becomes

3772
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:51,970
a very serious but if you've watched

3773
02:52:55,950 --> 02:52:54,010
ready player one which just came out

3774
02:52:58,260 --> 02:52:55,960
recently yes which is about virtual

3775
02:53:00,450 --> 02:52:58,270
reality and so so I'm actually working

3776
02:53:02,429 --> 02:53:00,460
on a book now about the simulation

3777
02:53:04,139 --> 02:53:02,439
hypothesis which is based on an article

3778
02:53:06,450 --> 02:53:04,149
that I wrote that's up on hacker noon

3779
02:53:08,700 --> 02:53:06,460
now with the stages of videogame

3780
02:53:11,280 --> 02:53:08,710
technology and how would we get from

3781
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:11,290
where we are today to a fully immersive

3782
02:53:16,110 --> 02:53:14,319
matrix like world where we couldn't tell

3783
02:53:18,510 --> 02:53:16,120
the difference and you know virtual

3784
02:53:20,610 --> 02:53:18,520
reality is starting to move us in that

3785
02:53:22,920 --> 02:53:20,620
direction I mean if you put on virtual

3786
02:53:25,469 --> 02:53:22,930
reality glasses you are that character

3787
02:53:27,450 --> 02:53:25,479
like in in the Oasis and in that case

3788
02:53:28,920 --> 02:53:27,460
they had you ready player one they had

3789
02:53:30,990 --> 02:53:28,930
these haptic suits so you could actually

3790
02:53:32,219 --> 02:53:31,000
feel what was going on but we're seeing

3791
02:53:35,280 --> 02:53:32,229
the beginnings of that I have some

3792
02:53:38,250 --> 02:53:35,290
friends who created a ping-pong game for

3793
02:53:39,960 --> 02:53:38,260
HTC for the vibe and so I was playing

3794
02:53:44,040 --> 02:53:39,970
this game and even though it wasn't

3795
02:53:45,450 --> 02:53:44,050
photorealistic it felt really real so

3796
02:53:48,030 --> 02:53:45,460
real that I thought I was holding a

3797
02:53:50,580 --> 02:53:48,040
paddle and playing I set the paddle down

3798
02:53:52,950 --> 02:53:50,590
on the table right just instinctively

3799
02:53:54,719 --> 02:53:52,960
well it turns out there was no table it

3800
02:53:56,790 --> 02:53:54,729
was just virtual so the controller fell

3801
02:53:58,559 --> 02:53:56,800
to the floor and then I leaned against

3802
02:54:01,260 --> 02:53:58,569
the table of course there was no table

3803
02:54:03,090 --> 02:54:01,270
so I almost fell over but you can see

3804
02:54:05,790 --> 02:54:03,100
how immersive virtual reality is

3805
02:54:07,500 --> 02:54:05,800
starting to be and eventually you can

3806
02:54:09,179 --> 02:54:07,510
see where we might be able to beam that

3807
02:54:12,630 --> 02:54:09,189
stuff to the retina without needing the

3808
02:54:14,040 --> 02:54:12,640
glasses and then you're really in kind

3809
02:54:15,150 --> 02:54:14,050
of an immersive world so I think more

3810
02:54:18,120 --> 02:54:15,160
people are interested in this topic

3811
02:54:19,631 --> 02:54:18,130
today because we're seeing how immersive

3812
02:54:21,881 --> 02:54:19,641
video games can be

3813
02:54:24,390 --> 02:54:21,891
and they get to the point where you know

3814
02:54:26,620 --> 02:54:24,400
we may be inside a very sophisticated

3815
02:54:28,060 --> 02:54:26,630
video game I mean think of where the

3816
02:54:29,650 --> 02:54:28,070
technology will be a hundred years from

3817
02:54:32,650 --> 02:54:29,660
now right video games are only like 30

3818
02:54:34,331 --> 02:54:32,660
years old or 200 years from now or a

3819
02:54:36,150 --> 02:54:34,341
thousand years from now how

3820
02:54:38,501 --> 02:54:36,160
sophisticated with the video games be

3821
02:54:40,421 --> 02:54:38,511
and and Elon Musk made that argument

3822
02:54:43,211 --> 02:54:40,431
where he said you know we had pong and

3823
02:54:46,990 --> 02:54:43,221
in the 70s which was a dot and some

3824
02:54:49,301 --> 02:54:47,000
lines and now we have virtual reality

3825
02:54:50,921 --> 02:54:49,311
where you put on the glasses and you it

3826
02:54:52,961 --> 02:54:50,931
feels like you're there and then we have

3827
02:54:56,381 --> 02:54:52,971
games like no man's sky I don't know if

3828
02:54:58,331 --> 02:54:56,391
you know ya know infinite right infinite

3829
02:55:01,180 --> 02:54:58,341
great do they have like 18 quintillion

3830
02:55:03,100 --> 02:55:01,190
planets yes yeah turns out because

3831
02:55:05,230 --> 02:55:03,110
that's what 64 bits yeah that's the

3832
02:55:07,180 --> 02:55:05,240
number that's 64 bits will get you and

3833
02:55:09,520 --> 02:55:07,190
each of those are procedurally generated

3834
02:55:11,171 --> 02:55:09,530
yep right so they look like they're

3835
02:55:14,381 --> 02:55:11,181
unique but they're being generated by

3836
02:55:16,390 --> 02:55:14,391
some set of rules and so we you know

3837
02:55:18,761 --> 02:55:16,400
we're looking out at the the world and

3838
02:55:21,751 --> 02:55:18,771
we're seeing you know billions of

3839
02:55:24,341 --> 02:55:21,761
hundred billion galaxies right out there

3840
02:55:26,950 --> 02:55:24,351
with 100 billion stars each

3841
02:55:29,860 --> 02:55:26,960
are those procedurally generated are

3842
02:55:33,461 --> 02:55:29,870
they really there you know and what does

3843
02:55:34,990 --> 02:55:33,471
it mean for them to be there so so in

3844
02:55:37,150 --> 02:55:35,000
that that of course would intersect with

3845
02:55:38,381 --> 02:55:37,160
alien life and UFO question but I don't

3846
02:55:40,390 --> 02:55:38,391
think we want to go there to the yeah

3847
02:55:43,060 --> 02:55:40,400
well do that at another time but I do

3848
02:55:46,270 --> 02:55:43,070
have a week there's there's a that's a

3849
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:46,280
that's a series of shows I have a friend

3850
02:55:53,200 --> 02:55:48,290
I mean a friend friend a friend that

3851
02:55:56,261 --> 02:55:53,210
I've known for about 20 years and he his

3852
02:55:59,860 --> 02:55:56,271
company this is a friend friend I want

3853
02:56:02,921 --> 02:55:59,870
to say this his company he went through

3854
02:56:04,690 --> 02:56:02,931
the film industry here and software

3855
02:56:11,470 --> 02:56:04,700
designing and shading and lighting and

3856
02:56:20,280 --> 02:56:11,480
stuff but his company now is AR and he

3857
02:56:30,581 --> 02:56:25,480
okay for instance he can go in take your

3858
02:56:33,540 --> 02:56:30,591
house and recreate it I mean it's done

3859
02:56:36,900 --> 02:56:33,550
with photography

3860
02:56:40,960 --> 02:56:36,910
absolutely walk around your neighborhood

3861
02:56:42,820 --> 02:56:40,970
he did Palm Springs right where you're

3862
02:56:46,719 --> 02:56:42,830
in a house in Palm Springs and you walk

3863
02:56:50,980 --> 02:56:46,729
outside and you go anywhere in Ponton it

3864
02:56:53,019 --> 02:56:50,990
is real real real you cannot tell the

3865
02:56:55,240 --> 02:56:53,029
difference it's like you're out there

3866
02:56:56,950 --> 02:56:55,250
it's not like you're out there you are

3867
02:56:58,510 --> 02:56:56,960
there you're in the middle of it and you

3868
02:57:02,200 --> 02:56:58,520
would not be able to tell the difference

3869
02:57:07,059 --> 02:57:02,210
because he's imaged it with real images

3870
02:57:08,620 --> 02:57:07,069
it's absolutely real-time spot-on crazy

3871
02:57:11,679 --> 02:57:08,630
freaked out

3872
02:57:13,809 --> 02:57:11,689
AR and it's it's here it's it's an

3873
02:57:16,870 --> 02:57:13,819
incredible technology that he has

3874
02:57:17,980 --> 02:57:16,880
developed yeah and and it's getting

3875
02:57:19,929 --> 02:57:17,990
better all the time so that's

3876
02:57:22,389 --> 02:57:19,939
interesting if he's got photorealistic

3877
02:57:25,570 --> 02:57:22,399
AR because the idea with these

3878
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:25,580
light-filled AR which is just becoming

3879
02:57:31,090 --> 02:57:29,120
available is that it figures out you

3880
02:57:33,820 --> 02:57:31,100
know what light would come to your eye

3881
02:57:36,040 --> 02:57:33,830
based on what angle you're looking at

3882
02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:36,050
and it only has to render that part of

3883
02:57:40,540 --> 02:57:39,050
it so that it optimizes the rendering so

3884
02:57:42,490 --> 02:57:40,550
you feel like you're really there which

3885
02:57:44,920 --> 02:57:42,500
is what all this 3d technology is based

3886
02:57:47,260 --> 02:57:44,930
on going back to doom which was the

3887
02:57:48,610 --> 02:57:47,270
first first-person shooter right it gave

3888
02:57:50,769 --> 02:57:48,620
you a sense of perspective so in this

3889
02:57:52,690 --> 02:57:50,779
case he was able to image actual

3890
02:57:54,370 --> 02:57:52,700
physical places and create probably 3d

3891
02:57:56,530 --> 02:57:54,380
models based off that's right that's

3892
02:58:00,639 --> 02:57:56,540
right it's incredible to see I mean it's

3893
02:58:02,950 --> 02:58:00,649
just like you try to you try to mess it

3894
02:58:04,990 --> 02:58:02,960
up and you can't you can't you cannot

3895
02:58:07,660 --> 02:58:05,000
you cannot find because it's it's

3896
02:58:10,870 --> 02:58:07,670
actually real imaging it's incredible to

3897
02:58:15,070 --> 02:58:10,880
see and and if we ever get to the point

3898
02:58:19,960 --> 02:58:15,080
where that that type of touring test

3899
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:19,970
right where you can tell right right and

3900
02:58:26,349 --> 02:58:22,250
you cannot you cannot I'm telling you

3901
02:58:29,679 --> 02:58:26,359
right now and are those VR glasses or AR

3902
02:58:33,660 --> 02:58:29,689
glasses yeah both okay it boasts both

3903
02:58:35,980 --> 02:58:33,670
and and I I will introduce you to him

3904
02:58:37,650 --> 02:58:35,990
okay he's really really really knowledge

3905
02:58:41,080 --> 02:58:37,660
is evolving rapidly and these are all

3906
02:58:42,040 --> 02:58:41,090
steps along the way where imagine if you

3907
02:58:44,559 --> 02:58:42,050
could do that he could do that without

3908
02:58:46,330 --> 02:58:44,569
the glasses and beam it directly into

3909
02:58:46,881 --> 02:58:46,340
our minds and now we're in the matrix

3910
02:58:48,861 --> 02:58:46,891
right now

3911
02:58:51,350 --> 02:58:48,871
have the technology their dissimulation

3912
02:58:53,511 --> 02:58:51,360
wait and it's right there because if you

3913
02:58:55,640 --> 02:58:53,521
have it if you have it like he does

3914
02:58:59,331 --> 02:58:55,650
right it's there it's on a hard drive

3915
02:59:01,011 --> 02:58:59,341
well bridging that interface which is

3916
02:59:03,171 --> 02:59:01,021
exactly what DARPA is doing right now

3917
02:59:06,650 --> 02:59:03,181
right building the interface between

3918
02:59:08,230 --> 02:59:06,660
computers and our heads and I've been

3919
02:59:12,770 --> 02:59:08,240
told that they've already you know

3920
02:59:15,381 --> 02:59:12,780
succeeded so there you go that's that's

3921
02:59:17,600 --> 02:59:15,391
a pretty Sandia that that's their focus

3922
02:59:21,591 --> 02:59:17,610
you know that's their focus right now is

3923
02:59:23,301 --> 02:59:21,601
how to get the brain computer interface

3924
02:59:26,900 --> 02:59:23,311
in the machine language to communicate

3925
02:59:28,551 --> 02:59:26,910
between the two done that's that's the

3926
02:59:30,591 --> 02:59:28,561
next big step and I think that they've

3927
02:59:32,411 --> 02:59:30,601
already done it either you have one

3928
02:59:34,730 --> 02:59:32,421
hundred percent they've already done it

3929
02:59:36,591 --> 02:59:34,740
well that's a big step because then

3930
02:59:39,411 --> 02:59:36,601
you're you're really starting to bridge

3931
02:59:42,470 --> 02:59:39,421
the electrical with the biological and

3932
02:59:45,291 --> 02:59:42,480
the chemical and you know once that's

3933
02:59:47,841 --> 02:59:45,301
done then you're at that point where you

3934
02:59:50,511 --> 02:59:47,851
can have specific images beamed in from

3935
02:59:52,251 --> 02:59:50,521
head to people which may be what's

3936
02:59:53,900 --> 02:59:52,261
happening to us right now but we're then

3937
02:59:56,511 --> 02:59:53,910
as a civilization we're getting closer

3938
02:59:58,520 --> 02:59:56,521
to that simulation point that we talked

3939
03:00:01,031 --> 02:59:58,530
about what and then it's also the

3940
03:00:07,011 --> 03:00:01,041
opposite where you get your brain

3941
03:00:08,661 --> 03:00:07,021
outputted right people think that you

3942
03:00:11,511 --> 03:00:08,671
can just take the brain and output

3943
03:00:13,671 --> 03:00:11,521
everything there and that becomes a

3944
03:00:17,511 --> 03:00:13,681
downloadable consciousness you have the

3945
03:00:19,310 --> 03:00:17,521
dream that right yes yes yes and so it's

3946
03:00:21,020 --> 03:00:19,320
a matter of so some researchers are

3947
03:00:23,480 --> 03:00:21,030
saying okay if we could just map not

3948
03:00:26,091 --> 03:00:23,490
just all the neurons in your brain but

3949
03:00:28,730 --> 03:00:26,101
exactly you know how much they're firing

3950
03:00:30,770 --> 03:00:28,740
and when and right now that's too big a

3951
03:00:32,421 --> 03:00:30,780
data set for a lot of our computers in

3952
03:00:34,850 --> 03:00:32,431
our big data right now yeah we're right

3953
03:00:36,890 --> 03:00:34,860
you're talking trillions of neurons fire

3954
03:00:39,230 --> 03:00:36,900
firing and you'd have to store that over

3955
03:00:41,150 --> 03:00:39,240
a long period of time again that would

3956
03:00:42,890 --> 03:00:41,160
that would say that consciousness is

3957
03:00:44,961 --> 03:00:42,900
something you can download digitally and

3958
03:00:48,350 --> 03:00:44,971
save and a lot of people are betting on

3959
03:00:51,491 --> 03:00:48,360
that I tend to take you know a slightly

3960
03:00:54,081 --> 03:00:51,501
more spiritual point of view where

3961
03:00:56,121 --> 03:00:54,091
consciousness may not just be the

3962
03:00:58,341 --> 03:00:56,131
neurons but might be something else that

3963
03:00:59,810 --> 03:00:58,351
we can't see in the rendered world which

3964
03:01:00,620 --> 03:00:59,820
is more like the Eastern mystical view

3965
03:01:03,380 --> 03:01:00,630
but

3966
03:01:05,179 --> 03:01:03,390
it is moving in that direction rizz I've

3967
03:01:07,310 --> 03:01:05,189
got to run credits and get out of here

3968
03:01:09,530 --> 03:01:07,320
so really quick thank you another

3969
03:01:14,150 --> 03:01:09,540
amazing conversation working everybody

3970
03:01:17,630 --> 03:01:14,160
follow you and reach out so my website

3971
03:01:20,210 --> 03:01:17,640
is Zen entrepreneur calm and you can

3972
03:01:23,660 --> 03:01:20,220
reach out to me from the website you can

3973
03:01:26,889 --> 03:01:23,670
also go to a twitter at a tree stanford

3974
03:01:29,240 --> 03:01:26,899
as well and reach me there and then

3975
03:01:31,700 --> 03:01:29,250
there's a link from my website and I

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think from yours - hacker noon which is

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where I write a lot of these types of

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articles and you can also find R is at

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on stellar he's he's actually got a

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profile and is moving forward there too

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as well we'll talk about on stellar in

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the future of the internet 3.0 on

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another show thank you so much for is

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get some sleep

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alright thanks for having me on again R

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is Burke and it's very simple Zen

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interpreter calm the links are over at

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Jimmy church radio calm thank you so

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much for is for doing this overtime with

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us I know you're on the East Coast doing

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your thing thank you so much rizz Burke

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amazing conversation fainted blacks

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executive producers ritika Murray on

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written 2018 by fade to black in the

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rebroadcast downloaded copied or used

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anywhere in the known universe without

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written permission from fade to black or

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the game changer network arm you know

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jimmy church thank you to r is birth

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tomorrow night right here

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with Jon Rappoport and is no more fake

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newsroom live follow me on Twitter h8

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Church radio you can follow R is at R is

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Stanford until tomorrow night